Certainly, but sometimes people don't always know who a new dealer is.

Like I said, you're spot on for not wanting to tip people for doing a bad job/providing bad service.

Never thought I would post itt -

Guy wins $500+ pot at 2/5 game in Toledo, Ohio. Leaves a dollar out for the dealer. Dealer tosses it back to him and prepares to deal the next hand. Player tosses it in front of the dealer who says "what's this?" Player says "a tip for you." Dealer tosses it back and says "you ain't been tipping all night. Why start now?"

I just about lost it regardless of the lack of professionalism.

Apparently receiving tips is frustrating to some after all. Here, TripleH gives an example of a dealer's frustration based on an individual's previous tipping habits during a session. So this might likely be a blatantly obvious reason for a player to be less inclined to tip. Though many don't seem to see it, I treat the subtle reasons (not as unprofessional, but unprofessional nonetheless) similarly.

Yeah, it just seems like the best solution. It bothers me with the ones who are incompetent due to old age though. On the one hand, they have no business being employed in that job. On the other, they probably need the job and the money and it's not like they can help it.

I know who you are talking about. He retired years ago but he still comes to punch the clock every day lol. Yeah, it sucks before because I have literally had downs with him where he only gets in one round. After the 5+ minutes it takes for him to count the well. I can't not tip any dealer though

"He"? There's more than one. Anyway, this isn't about bashing THR.

1. 1 dollar
2. 10 dollars
3. none, they already took money for staff out of the buyin
4. no tip is given if it's all taken down pre. no flop, no tip
5. yes, 1 dollar no matter what the size is.
6. not sure.

^^^ this post is a prime example of why good service staff are leaving the poker industry ^^^

especially this part :

Consider: gigantic pot, massive decisions, takes 5-10 minutes to deal. Dealer earns $1, with no adjustment for the time worked to deal the hand (this is a very common situation at 5/10 NL or above, btw, which is why dealing staff HATES these games).

The net result: a good dealer that would normally make at least $20 for a down now gets a pay cut to $6 per down or less, which is simply not enough to pay the rent.

This is why good dealing staff quit bad rooms.

As has been said a thousand times in this thread: you get the service you pay for.


q/q

1. I usually tip ~5% here.
2. I have heard ~3% is standard? I'd probably do that. The threshold for me where I switch from ~5% to ~3% is probably around $1k.
3. I've never won a significant tournament, but I usually tip 5% unless I ~min-cashed.
4. I tip the dealer a dollar unless I only take down the blinds ($1/$2 blinds). Disclaimer: my room has the "no flop, no drop" policy. If I only take down the blinds multiple times in succession, I'd probably tip the dealer a dollar and switch tables.
5. I tip the dealer $1 for most pots. If I had not acted fast during the course of the hand, or if the pot was ~$300+, I'll tip another dollar. And another dollar if the pot is a monster. If the dealer is slow or an ass, I'll only tip $1 no matter what the pot is. Only once has a dealer ever pissed me off enough that I deliberately did not tip them.
6. This seems likely, if by people you mean "other players".

If I wasn't a dealer,

1. $5, $10, $20.

2. $300 to $1000, $50 to $200.

3. 0 to $15.

4. 0 or $1 or $2.

I am a dealer so I would tip a bit more.

No.
You answered your own question.

Most people don't care no matter what size pot.

Consistency isn't good enough compared to if-this-then-that scenarios? I believe your gigantic pot example is considered when he includes $1 tips on tiny pots in his "no matter what the size is". So you ought to consider the balance.

BTW, which is it? Are tips supposed to be based on commission of a player's winnings or based on dealer quality? Emphasis on one pretty much renders the other meaningless.

Why can't it be both? If I win a small pot, I'm giving just about any dealer a buck. If it's a big pot, I might give an average dealer, or a dealer who I don't really know 2 or 3 bucks. If I think highly of the dealer it might be 5 bucks or more.

If I win $1000 on a single pot, my favorite dealer might get a $50 tip from me. Another dealer might get $5 or $10 for a pot the same size. But when I take the pot down preflop, every dealer is getting the same $1 tip whether they're the best dealer in the room or a brand new dealer working his first day.

Imo there is no resolution to the tipping problem, this is just what happens when you leave a big part of a persons pay up to patrons.

I used to work as a waiter and as such i know a good deal about working for tips. Most 99% of dealers do a good job and i have not seen many that do out of line things. But there are some that should pick a different job if they think they are entitled to treat a person poorly because they don't tip.

In tournaments where they take out the tips when you register, what (if any) extra are players expected to tip?

You said the tips are taken out when you register, so by definition the answer is nothing.

Its amazing how people want good service but don't want to pay for it. Ever wonder why you guys see so many crappy dealers?? Its because the good ones leave if they aren't being compensated.

This debate will never be settled. I've watched the 10/25 NL at M8trix, seen enormous pots pushed to people that have a ton of personal wealth. They tip a buck. Watched hands last several minutes, cutting into the dealer's ability to make money, and these guys tip a buck.

Some people are just cheap. Others aren't. If you tip a buck regardless of pot size, then don't bitch about the quality of the dealer. Apparently, the good ones and the bad ones should earn the same. So why be any good?? You get what you pay for.

Donkitall is right that this debate never will be settled.

I also can agree that there is a salary point at which people who are good dealers will leave the industry for other jobs. So tipping good dealers as generously as you feel appropriate and stiffing bad dealers will result in a higher-quality dealer pool.

Fallacy/Unproven Assertion #1: A good dealer can make more money outside the "industry" than a poor dealer can.

Misconception #1: The weekly take home of a poker dealer at M8trix has more to do with the "cheapness" of the players than with the Management of the casino.

I suppose it can be both to a degree. And good for those dealers who are beneficiaries. But are the good ones really 2X better than average and are the best really up to 10X better than average?

But wait - tipping based on pot size doesn't help the good dealer earn more than the poor dealer either. The odd aspect of poker tipping is that it's largely based on random numbers (pot size), rather than service.

IMO, there is no tipping problem to be resolved. Overall the tips come and balance out. The problem, if any, is believing there is one.

It's amazing how people believe routine service is good. There's very little separation between bad/average/good, except maybe around the top 2% or so good/bad. You get what you pay for. Just don't be terribly bad.

No, they're not. But, then, if I was paying strictly for service then I would tip good dealers on every down, regardless of whether or not they push me any pots. Rather than that, I abide by the custom that when I win, they win. And when I win big, they get a more generous tip from me. Especially the dealers I hold in higher regard for whatever reason.

Some can, some can't. You're assuming that some dealers can't do anything other than deal. That is an unproven assertion that you are making.

Explain how the management of M8trix affects take home pay more than players that are just cheap?? I've played with plenty of cheap players at M8trix. Many of them in the NL games. There is this one clown that tanks for minutes on end, and when he wins he routinely stiffs the dealer. Without mentioning names, Lets just call him Mr. Hockey. This goof also tries to hit on the hot dealers, apparently oblivious he has absolutely no shot with them.

Its one thing to stiff dealers, its another to take up so much time that you keep them from getting out more hands, which also limits their earning potential.

Keep defending the cheapskates Angus, you have an excuse for everything. Yeah, I know, its the fault of management at M8trix. Thats your response to everything.