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10-21-2010 , 03:56 PM
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nice exit interview LC......holding your own???


dont read. it spoils what happens in episode 4.
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10-21-2010 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by myhudisbroke
DN did actually say that as the audio was fading and they were going to break.For all the supposed improvements, is there anyone out there who actually thinks DN is a better ring NLHE live player than Mr. Tilt Hellmuth?
IIRC, he said he made a good call, referring to his turn call and the chance to hit a three-outer.
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10-21-2010 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BrotherCatcher
LOL@ the look Elizabeth gave Daniel after he told Robl she was single. That little conversation made me feel so awkward i was almost sick.
Dn said "and she's single!" .. Robl should have said "oh but she's canadian, never mind then". And then watch what DN would say to that
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10-21-2010 , 04:04 PM
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Kind of a sick beat to bust out on, but yeah the exit interview...I wonder if she'll change her "I wasn't outclassed" when she sees the 27 vs. KK hand
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10-21-2010 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mistergrinch
4) Joe Hachem confirms what everyone already knew: a very unpleasant, unfunny fellow who just needs to go away forever and open a seat for more likeable, less nitty players.
Joe's australian accent is so cool IMO
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10-21-2010 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Winger14
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Kind of a sick beat to bust out on, but yeah the exit interview...I wonder if she'll change her "I wasn't outclassed" when she sees the 27 vs. KK hand
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but mike matusow folded KK to hellmuth's 72. Don't be so quick to judge
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10-21-2010 , 04:24 PM
LOL

Hoyt 1 bullet really?!?
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10-21-2010 , 04:28 PM
I know the general consensus of the masses here is that I've been run off by all of your hate but in fact I had not had the opportunity to watch the second episode until recently and have not yet watched the third.

I'm here for the people who wish to speak about poker and want a little insight into the innerworkings of the episode. To begin I would like to say that I played this game differently than I normally play and believe I adapted to the circumstances of the game. Normally I am more aggressive of a player however in a game where I start short stacked and every pot could be for all of your chips and people are playing like maniacs I decided I was better off trying to see as many flops for cheap as I could. You may not agree with my strategy and that's fine. I welcome discussing your run on The Big Game in the future

AJ against Daniel- considered raising pre-flop but A-J can be such a ****ty hand sometimes if you're playing to hit an ace that I limp. When the J comes off the flop with 2 diamonds I make the appropriate raise to isolate/make a draw pay. When the diamond came on the turn and Daniel bet into me I thought he had the flush but I figured if I just called I wouldn't know where I stood on the river and his bet would have been bigger so I would have had to just give up there or loose even more money trying to find out. So I decided instead to raise him on the turn knowing if he re-raised me I was probably beat. Since I cannot see Daniel folding the hand he had pre-flop regardless extra aggression would have served no purpose.

K-K: okay there's really no excuse for how I played this hand. it was terrible I know and will no doubt haunt me for a long time. EVERYONE who actually plays poker has a hand or two that will haunt them the only difference being mine was on national TV. I'm sure Russ will be thinking of those aces for awhile. What was going through my mind when I folded? Well I'd just lost a large pot to Daniel who drew a flush and William had just gone broke with kings so when I raised Tony on the flop and he called I got worried. when the turn came the third club and he bet I really just decided that I had played it wrong from the start and at that point I was probably better off just folding it and waiting for a better spot than to play it to the end. You can't really hear it in the show but as soon as the hand is over I turn to Daniel and I admit to the mistake.

J-Q: Well I started with a check to the raiser and called with Joe and Viffer in the pot. I was sure I was ahead of Viffer but I wasn't sure what Joe had. If his post-flop bet had just been a c-bet then I knew he would give it up on the turn with us other two in the pot. So when he checked the turn I really thought he was going to fold to Viffers bet and I was sure I had Viffer beat so I made the call too but as soon as it got back to Joe and he called the turn I knew right there I was beat which is why I insta folded the river.

As to the donk betting when I'm in hand with some of the players: I know it's not technically the right move and in most games it's not one I would make. I know to check to the raiser and then re-raise but it's very difficult to explain what the table dynamic here was. Basically I knew that if I bet into them and they hadn't hit the flop they would fold to me BUT if I checked-raised to they would no doubt call or re-raise me and then I wouldn't know where I stood again. Considering the marginal hands that were being played to the max you never could tell if they had it or not so you're really better off trying to end it before they can commit because otherwise you have to be willing to take it all the way to showdown with whatever you might have in your hand. That was not at that point a risk I was willing to take.

I know a lot of you think you should go hard and fast to begin with and either get lucky and fly or be felted however I wonder how many of those people would really be proud of themselves if they were felted in the first 60 hands? Not many I'm guessing. Also a point worth mentioning is that I was there to have a good time and play with some of my favorite players. Maybe I did talk to much and maybe I shouldn't have shown my cards but at the end of the day I was there to have fun and make a show worth talking about so in a way I was very successful.
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10-21-2010 , 04:31 PM
Is anyone else really annoyed by how joe stapleton keeps saying Top-Top? I mean COME ON man your other material is mostly good - now is not the time to be stealing from jamie gold.

Also, day 3 looked like the beginning of a good rush for elizabeth houston. The TT hand was played really well in my opinion - gotta give daniel another chance to bluff the turn. However, I wouldn't be really keen on turning my cards up.

Maybe she will use that to her advantage in days 4 and 5.

Also, I hope she busts RObl. I don't like that guy on TV. I am sure he is ok IRL but on TV is megawkward.
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10-21-2010 , 04:31 PM
More random BG thoughts:

I must give props to Tony G. His antics have been extremely entertaining. I really don't know much about him; his accent seems odd for someone from Russia - too lazy to Google his background....

Whether you like or dislike the two commentators - I prefer the play-by-play/colorman format to the single announcer one. Rose and Stapleton work well together ala Lon and Chad. I wonder if HSP is still happy with their decision to jettison Benza?

I would like see the rules changed regarding what the LC can win. Let them keep all of or portions of the $100,000 + profits if they reach certain levels e.g. match dollar for dollar, have a minimum amount of guaranteed win for achieving certain levels. This might prompt the LC to loosen up a bit if they know they can walk home with some amount even if they go broke.

I can't really fault the LC's play. I know I would be extremely nervous playing:
1) With a larger stack than I've ever had in my life;
2) For stakes I'd never played before;
3) With experienced, aggressive, well-bankrolled opponents;
4) In a televised setting, knowing every hand will be critiqued.

Hoping Elizabeth does well in the show.

p.s. So tilting to have to avoid this thread until the show is posted on internet.
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10-21-2010 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Winger14
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Kind of a sick beat to bust out on, but yeah the exit interview...I wonder if she'll change her "I wasn't outclassed" when she sees the 27 vs. KK hand
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Sort of deserved it, Tony G gave her a chance get rid of DN, but still didnt take advantage (amazing on how Tony even comments on that). Yes, she still loses if its just her and Tony heads up, but at least its the "right" play.

Unless youre talking about the DN river Ace. Not sure what she can do there, although she is losing to Aces up now. I dont think most would fold there, especially to a tilted DN.


moar episode 4 stuff, so dont read!
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10-21-2010 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Elizabeth Houston
Normally I am more aggressive of a player however in a game where I start short stacked and every pot could be for all of your chips and people are playing like maniacs I decided I was better off trying to see as many flops for cheap as I could. You may not agree with my strategy and that's fine. I welcome discussing your run on The Big Game in the future

As to the donk betting when I'm in hand with some of the players: I know it's not technically the right move and in most games it's not one I would make. I know to check to the raiser and then re-raise but it's very difficult to explain what the table dynamic here was.

I know a lot of you think you should go hard and fast to begin with and either get lucky and fly or be felted however I wonder how many of those people would really be proud of themselves if they were felted in the first 60 hands? Not many I'm guessing. Also a point worth mentioning is that I was there to have a good time and play with some of my favorite players. Maybe I did talk to much and maybe I shouldn't have shown my cards but at the end of the day I was there to have fun and make a show worth talking about so in a way I was very successful.
I think you played allright. As I posted earlier I think keeping the pots small is the right way, if you make the pot too big the pros will test you by reraising allin and seeing whether you trust your hand enough to play for all your chips. They can reload, the LC cannot, so unless you flop the nuts the LC is in a disadvantage. Playing risky and busting within 50 hands might look good on camera, but you're then solely dependent on flopping something great.

Never mind the haters on these forums, there are always enough here. They think they're invincible because they're anonymous, and for them they have to vent their frustration about life by ripping on others. I usually ignore them because in the end they'll still be ugly nerds the next day, and that is punishment enough.

Especially those nerds that attack your looks, thats just ridiculous.
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10-21-2010 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nolimitfiend
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I must give props to Tony G. His antics have been extremely entertaining. I really don't know much about him; his accent seems odd for someone from Russia - too lazy to Google his background....
He's an Aussie, but yea i found him hilarious this episode.
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All the talk about being the loose cannon protector, then at the end when the Elizabeth busts, Tony sais he doesn't care about the money he just wants to avenger her, pure gold.
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10-21-2010 , 04:42 PM
cliff notes on EH post : she likes to raise/bet for info and/or wait for "better spots"
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10-21-2010 , 04:47 PM
Limping every pot...we all know why that's bad. When she had a hand she would donk bet or raise. Has anyone actually played live poker with her that is part of these forums? I would really like to know if she always plays like this or not since she stated that she is very aggro live (hard to believe), but who knows.
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10-21-2010 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Elizabeth Houston
I know the general consensus of the masses here is that I've been run off by all of your hate but in fact I had not had the opportunity to watch the second episode until recently and have not yet watched the third.

AJ against Daniel- considered raising pre-flop but A-J can be such a ****ty hand sometimes if you're playing to hit an ace that I limp. When the J comes off the flop with 2 diamonds I make the appropriate raise to isolate/make a draw pay. When the diamond came on the turn and Daniel bet into me I thought he had the flush but I figured if I just called I wouldn't know where I stood on the river and his bet would have been bigger so I would have had to just give up there or loose even more money trying to find out. So I decided instead to raise him on the turn knowing if he re-raised me I was probably beat. Since I cannot see Daniel folding the hand he had pre-flop regardless extra aggression would have served no purpose.
This is why poker will always be profitable. You really think Daniel is ever bluffing in this spot raising the turn? You have been playing like a nit and he does not expect you to fold anything..

It´s a call/fold NEVER a raise "for information".
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10-21-2010 , 04:53 PM
how do u make the little spolier boxes? dont want to give away anything
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10-21-2010 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by o0ch
it really tilts me to see the LC limping primo hands over and over and over again

and showing her cards... wtf? I would never show my cards to the pros...

Tony G is running goooood and lmao at his ranting @ robl, it seems like he got huge adrenaline rush or blew a huge line or something lol
The word you're searching for is: vodka.
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10-21-2010 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RNauta
I think you played allright. As I posted earlier I think keeping the pots small is the right way, if you make the pot too big the pros will test you by reraising allin and seeing whether you trust your hand enough to play for all your chips. They can reload, the LC cannot, so unless you flop the nuts the LC is in a disadvantage. Playing risky and busting within 50 hands might look good on camera, but you're then solely dependent on flopping something great.

Never mind the haters on these forums, there are always enough here. They think they're invincible because they're anonymous, and for them they have to vent their frustration about life by ripping on others. I usually ignore them because in the end they'll still be ugly nerds the next day, and that is punishment enough.

Especially those nerds that attack your looks, thats just ridiculous.
Jesus, does every page in this thread have a Captain Save-a-ho post?
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10-21-2010 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Elizabeth Houston

K-K: okay there's really no excuse for how I played this hand. it was terrible I know and will no doubt haunt me for a long time. EVERYONE who actually plays poker has a hand or two that will haunt them the only difference being mine was on national TV. I'm sure Russ will be thinking of those aces for awhile. What was going through my mind when I folded? Well I'd just lost a large pot to Daniel who drew a flush and William had just gone broke with kings so when I raised Tony on the flop and he called I got worried. when the turn came the third club and he bet I really just decided that I had played it wrong from the start and at that point I was probably better off just folding it and waiting for a better spot than to play it to the end. You can't really hear it in the show but as soon as the hand is over I turn to Daniel and I admit to the mistake.
Welcome back Elizabeth.

Can someone explain to this recreational player what is so terribad about this fold? If Tony G was on a flush draw, wouldn't he play it in a similar fashion? Aren't you risking a much larger river bet if you call the turn? I must admit flush type boards give me a hard time.
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10-21-2010 , 04:56 PM
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Never mind the haters on these forums, there are always enough here. They think they're invincible because they're anonymous, and for them they have to vent their frustration about life by ripping on others. I usually ignore them because in the end they'll still be ugly nerds the next day, and that is punishment enough.

Especially those nerds that attack your looks, thats just ridiculous.
lol
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10-21-2010 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by nolimitfiend
Welcome back Elizabeth.

Can someone explain to this recreational player what is so terribad about this fold? If Tony G was on a flush draw, wouldn't he play it in a similar fashion? Aren't you risking a much larger river bet if you call the turn? I must admit flush type boards give me a hard time.
Because if you like money you want to call/raise when you are ahead and they are drawing.
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10-21-2010 , 05:05 PM
I don't get the hate for Robl on this thread ! He's cool, have you watched from Busto to robusto 2 ?

Daniel not playing great tbh.

Elizabeth, what's your experience at 6 max prior the BG ?
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10-21-2010 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Elizabeth Houston
I know the general consensus of the masses here is that I've been run off by all of your hate but in fact I had not had the opportunity to watch the second episode until recently and have not yet watched the third.

I'm here for the people who wish to speak about poker and want a little insight into the innerworkings of the episode. To begin I would like to say that I played this game differently than I normally play and believe I adapted to the circumstances of the game. Normally I am more aggressive of a player however in a game where I start short stacked and every pot could be for all of your chips and people are playing like maniacs I decided I was better off trying to see as many flops for cheap as I could. You may not agree with my strategy and that's fine. I welcome discussing your run on The Big Game in the future

AJ against Daniel- considered raising pre-flop but A-J can be such a ****ty hand sometimes if you're playing to hit an ace that I limp. When the J comes off the flop with 2 diamonds I make the appropriate raise to isolate/make a draw pay. When the diamond came on the turn and Daniel bet into me I thought he had the flush but I figured if I just called I wouldn't know where I stood on the river and his bet would have been bigger so I would have had to just give up there or loose even more money trying to find out. So I decided instead to raise him on the turn knowing if he re-raised me I was probably beat. Since I cannot see Daniel folding the hand he had pre-flop regardless extra aggression would have served no purpose.
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lol, you are doing it wrong. use your thought process, and do the exact opposite and you will be a decent player.
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10-21-2010 , 05:08 PM
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Jesus, does every page in this thread have a Captain Save-a-ho post?
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