Kind of scary how tilted you are over something so benign.

Instead of answering two questions for a guy making crap wages, you would rather:

Be sarcastic and uncooperative, call a supervisor, actually wait for the supervisor than answer two questions, start a thread, and start developing a plan for the text time you are asked two very simple questions.

Hope you never get rivered.

Nothing that I've posted here has anything to do with acting tough, and everything to do with being annoyed by extreme stupidity and mocking people for it when I run into it. Threatening someone would be acting tough. Ridiculing their stupidity doesn't qualify. I'm not tough at all, and I wouldn't even do that if I thought they might get physical.

So your position is that I act tough on the internet, but it's all just a front, because in real life I would never have the courage to threaten someone. However, the facts are that I never acted tough in this thread, and will readily admit that I'm not tough at all. It turns out that you actually don't know my type, but now I certainly know yours. Just another idiot who likes to argue on the internet without actually understanding what's being said. A dime a dozen.

lol okay yeah, I don't know your type exactly. You really got me!

I know. That's what I said.

I love how consistently accurate your predictions are.

Sometimes carding older people is a PR move. Card one or two people in a group to flatter them it typically puts a smile on their face. "Can you believe they thought I needed to be carded! I'm so tickled." Gives the group something to chat about cheerfully when coming in to drop their money in the machines. They might feel so good that an extra $50 is played or a logo shirt is bought as a rememberence of 'that one trip to the casino'.

Thats a fake law .... you can't possibly enforce it .....


Its a common policy .... but in reality its just a way of saying ..... don't try to guess if some is 21 or 22 .... if there is any question ID them.

No amount of wiseass remarks from you could make them regret anything worse than the penalty for serving someone under 21, so while that might make you feel better, you aren't actually going to accomplish anything (besides acting like a tool).

that said, if you go to the place regularly (or are even having a weird day where you get carded multiple times) take 5 minutes out of your life, find someone in security, explain the situation and come up with a solution. One time my girlfriend got carded every time we changed games, after the third time we went to the desk and got her a wristband to show the dealers/guards/cameras that she was of age. Maybe you can get a players card or come up with another solution for multiple trips.

To be honest I wouldn't mind occasionally being carded by someone who either just couldn't tell that I'm older than their parents, or thought they were flattering me. my objection is the annoying policy of "We card everyone." On one hand I understand from an employers point of view that this makes it easier to make sure your employees are checking the IDs of young people ..... on the other hand when I go to a restaurant with this policy it just feels like an annoyance .... its like they know I'm obviously old enough .. but we are going to go through this stupid ritual.

I am reminded of an incident that occurred in a grocery store when I was back in school. I worked in a liquor store so I had some familiarity with the subject. I went with a friend to the grocery store and among other things he was buying a six pack of beer. The cashier asked me for ID. I declined to produce it .... the manager gets called and tells me that the law requires that everyone in the "party" be 21 to sell alcohol to one person.

I got to look at the guy and say..... "I'm putting myself through law school by working in a liquor store ..... I am familair with the Alcoholic Beverage Control Law would you like to tell me what section of the law says that ..... and while your at then explain to me why that cashier over there is selling alcohol to a woman with a three year old sitting in the cart?" My friend didn't get his beer ..... but we both enjoyed making the manager angry.

in 1983 the drinking age was raised to 21. Shortly thereafter the casino raised the age to 21 because they say it is impossible to police the drinking-age law as long as 18-year-olds are permitted to participate in the casino games. If the drinking age was still 18 or 19, so would the gambling age be (at least in ac).

ref. http://www.nytimes.com/1983/02/25/ny...1-from-18.html

Lol. As an aside, I agree that the letter of the law (in the jurisdictions I am familiar with) doesn't require "card 30 and under" though it's a common policy. There's also an important distinction between what the law says and what your local alcohol control board inspector "prefers you to do". As an owner (I've been one), you do what the inspector prefers unless you really want to drag out a ten-year supreme court fight over Some Principle That Really Isn't Important Anyway.

So, if the FAQ/guideline says "you should card people 30 and under" then, well, by golly, your life as an establishment owner will be a lot easier if you comply with that. The local board can make your life miserable if you aren't a good cooperative owner. Sometimes government is just like organized crime but without the honor component.

OP: Answer the questions and move on to the important stuff. This isn't where the Idiocracy battle lines need to be drawn.

Stopped reading like half way through.

OP is a jerk. I just got hired at a new casino about a month ago and they devoted a 4-ish hour class just to recognizing underage guests. If one is found on the casino floor, the casino can be fined 50k+ and the employees who missed it can also be fined and lose their gaming license and/or job.

So I'm sorry, OP, that you feel like these people should risk their job instead of inconveniencing you for 30 seconds.

Yes, the ID was valid, but as stated people use their siblings' ID all the time. Just because it's a valid ID doesn't mean it automatically belongs to you. Calling for a supervisor is a joke. You're mad because they wasted 30 seconds of your time? Well guess what, the Security Supervisor is rarely going to be right next to you. So you'll have to wait longer for them then you would just answering the 2 questions from security.

It also possible that this casino recently was fined for missing an underage guest. So they told the entire staff to crack down and start carding more people and asking more questions. A few years ago I went to a casino and got carded at the door. Ok, no big deal. Got down to the poker room and one of their supervisors carded me. Hmmm, ok. Then I sat down and the dealer did. And then another dealer walking by the table, and then the cocktail waitress. I just laughed each time and provided it and after the 4th time I did accept their request for a wrist band (which I usually turn down because I'm not usually carded while sitting in the poker room).


Sneaking into a casino with a fake isn't as easy as you say it is for most people. First, criminals are stupid and so are teenagers. So when you combine the two, you have a whole new level of stupid walking in the door. They showed us some fake IDs that they had confiscated from actual guests. Some were good, some weren't terrible, but some of them were god awful and I pray that the poor soul that tried to use it didn't spend a dime on it. Second, memorizing the DOB/Address isn't as easy as you make it seem. It seems easy to most people because the ID is ours. So we know it, we've know our DOB for 21+ years and we've know our address for years. For underage guests, they are usually nervous which makes memorizing things a tad harder. Security personnel is usually instructed not to ask questions in order. They won't ask for your street address, then city, then zip code because an underage quest will memorize it in that order. They'll ask for the zip code, their year of birth, then city/state. If you ask me what my zip code is, I'll tell you, because I know it. If you ask an underage quest what their zip code, they will pause, because they don't know it. They probably know the entire address which causes them to pause for a second to recall the address and figure out the zip code.


Cliffs: OP, stop being a jerk and let them do their jobs.

This, but for practical reasons rather than philosophical reasons.

Security are more likely to grill you when you act suspicious, like being super pissed off when asked to show ID or providing nonstandard ID. Acting like this is the 300th time you've been carded and "okay fine let's get this over with" creates less suspicion than "WHY WON'T U LET ME IN U ****ING ****** UR QUESTIONS SUCK AND U SUCK."

Asking for a manager is a good thing, but not because they're going to stop carding you (they'll always card you by policy). It's a good idea so you stick in their mind, and the next time they'll remember that they grilled you last time and you came up clean. Learn the guards' names, learn the managers' names.

When you get the i-think-this-is-fake questions ("What's your astrological sign?" is popular IME), take it in stride, answer the question, then ask for the manager, and explain politely you've done this a lot and would like them to start recognizing you.

I see your point, assman, but consider how it looks on surveillance tapes. Here comes a youngish looking person. Security only nods to him. Does surveillance know the person? When they notify floor managers that security let a young looking person pass, does every floor manager know the person. Surely someone in management will be asking why this is happening and people will be made to answer for it. It sounds like a **** storm will ensue because one immature little prick can't handle something insignificant that everyone else has without a thought in their life times.

OP, fill this out and hand it in to the first Office of Giving a **** that you come to.

I never said I had a problem showing ID but the narrative has somehow shifted to that. My main issue is confirming my address on the ID. I have confirmed that a PO Box is a valid address for a drivers license so what does one say in that scenario?

I will be taking my passport for now on. I have no problem answering my birthdate as that is relevant to the issue at hand (confirming age). Anything else I consider harassment. I'm sorry you sheeple disagree. The issue is confirming someone's age. Not their residence.

... and that the ID presented belongs to the presentor.

Legit question, are you American? If you want to avoid being questioned then bringing your passport is a dumb idea. It may look strange to some security guards that an American kid is bringing in a passport/doesn't bring (or have) a state issued DL/ID card.

This just in: Doing your job now considered harassment.

More at 11.

You're wrong. Good luck making that claim to anybody important.

Oh and I'm really glad we have another thread were OP asks a question, gets told by 45 people that he is wrong, then proceeds to tell the thread that he is indeed right.

So according to you. Anybody who comes in with a ID with a good DOB and a picture that looks moderately like them should just be let into the casino?

You just don't get it.

They're still going to ask you to confirm the information that's on the passport since that is a quick way to catch people using fake/someone else's id.

congratulations, you're not a sheeple, now you get to carry around a much more important/expensive/harder to replace id if something goes wrong on your adventures instead of just telling the guy your address.

What you seem to still miss is that they don;t care to confirm your address. They don't care where you live.

They confirming that the ID belongs to you ....

You make it sound like saying your address is no big deal. What if he lives at 1345294.5 Northwest M'panekukula Synkklynwzicz Boulevard Suite 35-pi-3X2 Apartment #91747272838(tongue clicking)37372?

Then you'd feel pretty silly.

This is a grand total of two questions, is fairly common when a young person produces an ID (happens at nightclubs all the time; they're checking to see if you know the information by heart or are in fact using someone else's ID), and isn't intrusive at all. The entire exchange takes about 20 seconds; I'll go ahead and assume that you'll spend hours in this thread discussing the topic over the course of its' lifespan.

Bingo. Response hits it out of the park.

You're backpedaling at a ridiculous rate here. Give us a break. Everyone is in agreement that there is zero chance you would say in real life what you stated you would here. That's the very definition of being an Internet tough guy.

fyp

Lol. I knew 2+2 would deliver.

haha there it is No wonder security makes you recite your information every time — your reaction is free entertainment!