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Originally Posted by SpewingIsMyMove
This is clearly a situation where the dealer should just clarify the action. 'Bet' is ambiguous, but that fact that her verbally declared something indicates that he meant some type of action. This should be treated no differently than if he mumbled or spoke with a heavy accent. Just ask 'How much?' or 'Is this a call or a raise?' or 'what action are you intending?'
To force him into a call when he is a new player based on misstating a raise as a bet is pretty nitty. Heck, there was an entire thread here where a supposedly experienced player kept arguing that they were the same.
I like clarity. It would be great if all players made actions that were clear to everyone at the table.
In the absence of clarity declared, I'd prefer that the dealer get clarification. I do like the heavy accent approach.
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Originally Posted by BadlyBeaten
What if the player had just sat down, put two pumpkins on the felt, and had pushed a pumpkin forward with his finger and said "bet" without releasing? Would it matter at that point how much the pumpkin is worth and whether the one chip has everyone else covered?
I also think amount matter, and I know I'm in the minority. As most ambiguous actions revert to the least aggressive, I'm concerned about a player being forced to wager an amount grossly more than intended. Yes, in big bet poker, a smaller wager early may end up costing a player a large pot, but I think that's better than a player losing a large chip, on account of a mistake.
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Originally Posted by SpewingIsMyMove
If a player were to mumble something, or speak in an accent so thick you weren't sure wht he said, the dealer would be correct in asking for clarification.
In this case, an ambiguous word that is clearly not binding as a call or a raise (hence why this discussion is still going on) was used. Why are people making things difficult by insisting that a player who clearly indicated an intent for some type of action not be asked to clarify his action?
Still agree.
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Originally Posted by SpewingIsMyMove
Can you specify why that would make a difference? In both cases, the player clearly was trying to declare something, and did not use a word or phrase that unambiguously indicate another action. Why not ask to clarify? What angle does this allow the bettor?
Although the tables move slower than I'd like, I'm much more interested in stopping for clarification, and even punishing those that act too quickly (by reverting the action, and having their intentions known).
The string-bet/raise angle allows a player to judge reactions when the next player actually reacts. If the next player fails to react, then there is no benefit gained.
Yes, asking for clarification may be some kind of meta tell. Stop drooling when an oversized chip gets tossed in when you have the nuts, and just get clarification.
