This is what I meant. He put me on a hand he could beat but didnt realize he couldnt beat it.

I'm not sure if he just misread the board entirely or what?

Or so green that he was afraid both his cards had to add up to more than his opponent's?

You never really know where some players can go wrong until you see them do so. In our home game, we once had a prize-winning poet join us, insisting that he was an old hand. Warned that we played a lot of hi-lo stud, he assured us he understood the game. About an hour in, we got into one of the few serious arguments we've ever seen when he insisted that his fifty-eight was the low winner over my seventy-four ...

I hope you explained that you didn't have seventy-four, you had forty-seven.

How does that flush hand even exist lol

He obv made a sick read and knew the other guy had 109.

I don't think it's that incomprehensible. He just got tunnel vision on the flop and was so focused on the idea of villain having the same top pair with a better kicker that he was oblivious to how the run out changed the board.

Ya, I mean I've played a ton of hands in my lifetime and I still occasionally misread my hand. Then there is the hand that Ivey mucked when he had the winner in the WSOP ME a few years ago.

Yeah but that's not just misreading your hand. It's misreading your hand and missing the fact that the nut straight is on the board.

This guy had the nut str8 for the nuts on a flush draw board, two to the flush, on the turn. He took 2 minutes to call a shove because he "couldn't put his opponent on a hand."

Also, this other guy took 5 minutes to call with middle set on a 2 flush flop. He was considering folding middle set, 2nd nuts, for over 5 minutes. lol $1/$2.

Nit-roll extravaganza!

two different nights, but yes, they were nits.

Well may be they were nuts. But I've been there maybe we all have. Starring at the board with nuts, while my heads spinning .... "I have the nuts don't I, but he is betting into me, how can he do that, maybe I am beat, no I have the nuts or do I, what can he have, did I misread the board, no I have the nuts" ... I raise. After days and hours of playing or stress from other activities you brain can play tricks on you and you have self doubt especially if you have had one bad beat after another. I am not all surprised to find people being careful and taking a couple of minutes when faced with a shove. The long time survivors do.

The guy with the nut str8 was new to the table like me. He had been playing for less than an hour. Trust me, he wasn't too bright, he wasn't overloaded with too much poker playing.

My room recently extended tourney re-entry period from 3 levels to 6 levels. At least once per month someone at the table will say that it is a big advantage to buy in at level 6. There will be at least 2 people that will agree.

I try not to LOL.

So they're playing 500-1000 blinds or higher and getting how many chips? 3000? 5000?

Nice.

To be fair, it is an "advantage" for a crappy poker player to buy in at level 6, relatve to the same player buying in at level 1. In other words, crappy poker player buys in at Level 1, his chance of winning is .01%, and if he buys in at level 6, his chance of winning is .02% (percentages exaggerated for effect). Therefore, it's an advantage for him to buy in later; it improves his chances of winning. First, the less hands a crappy poker player participates in against better players, the more good short-term variance can override what would otherwise be guaranteed dead money. Second, the one "skill" that even crappy poker players have is a fairly good understanding of basic starting hand strength, so when the tournament starts turning to short stack flipaments, where you're just shove/folding your 6 big blinds based on fairly easy to remember guidelines, they're no better or worse.

So basically, they're taking away all the potential for their lack of skill to be exploited, and just letting the luck/flipament part determine their fate for 3 hours.

I highly doubt that is the actual argument they make, however. And that the argument they actually make is entirely in line with all of the fun absurd logic that makes this thread so fun.

^That.

Some guys are dead after two orbits, no matter when they join. In a good tourney they last 45 to 60 minutes. These guys probably love late reg. Hey, now its an hour less I have to last to cash. Put that way, it's not even wrong.

"This guy hasn't folded ANYTHING for two hours, but I can bluff-shove the third diamond on the river since it totally looks like I was chasing the flush."
-Mayo internal monologue, 11 January 2014

Omg almost died laughing

Late at night the 8-16 Limit game at our casino broke and I went over to play some 3-6 Limit Hold Em. I recently moved up from 3-6 to 4-8 and then 8-16 so I know how these games can be and the type of players that play in these games.

Anyway, a solid player who I know from the casino and am a bit friendly with, 1 random guy, and 1 donkey calling station and I in the big blind (4 players) go to the flop.

The board comes AKQJT (not in that order) no flush for the nut broadway straight. The moment the river hits the board, my friend smiles and stops playing with his chips ready to split, and then I lead out on the river (instantly I think this is a bad play by me since it would've increased the rake from the split pot), and he smiles and goes 'Oh you bast@rd' reaching for his chips to call, and then middle random guy calls with a smile on his face knowing its going to get split, and the donkey calling station looks at the board, looks at his cards, and goes into the tank and surprisingly folds, and everyone bursts out laughing. I just smile thankful that I pushed one guy out of the pot increasing my share of the split by $8.

Sick life hitting a BBJ like that.

I think in 2003-2007 this type of thing was very possible and probably done by plenty of people.

My rec friend told me about how he double barreled IP all in with A high vs trips, and he kept saying over and over "i dont understand why you would flop trips and not bet"

Playing 1/2 live in some casino in the Netherlands. 4 donks at the table and 1 solid reg. I open KQs to 6 from the button, middle-aged middle-eastern guy calls from BB. He has around a ~30bb stack from getting crushed by the other reg. Flop comes JT4tt, giving me OESD + FD. I bet 12 on the flop, he calls. Turn is a blank and I put him in, knowing he's the type of guy that calls any two on the flop and folds turns. He tanks for like 3 minutes, then finally says "COME ON 4" and calls. He flips over 45o and the river bricks and he scoops the pot. Looking very proud of himself, he turns to me and says "can't bluff me mate". I say "if you thought I was bluffing why did you want a 4 on the river?". He said "I knew I was behind but I just couldn't let you push me around so I called".

I guess the guy was right though, it's impossible to bluff someone who thinks they're drawing to maybe 5 outs and still calls.