I've got a question about offering tournament or satellite tickets for sale in a particular venue's thread versus the marketplace. For reference I'm talking about the Tampa hard rock. There is a big 10 million guarantee tourney at the Hollywood Hard Rock next month, and for a couple of months now the Tampa Hard rock has been running promos to win both $575 satellite tickets and $5300 main event tickets for the HHR event.

There is a lot of interest in selling/buying these tickets among the locals/regs in tampa. In fact, the only way a $5300 ticket won in Tampa can be sold is that the two people must meet at the THR brush stand together and effect the transfer with a supervisor.

My question is that while I understand that most for sale stuff goes into the marketplace, it seems like this type of ticket has a relatively narrow group of people to buy/sell them, and they would almost all be reading the THR thread. One person put a post something like "I have a $5300 ticket for sale; PM me if interested". He got it sold, but then the mod said he sort of got by on that since it should go in the marketplace.

I'd never even looked in the marketplace before, so went and saw a bunch of stuff for sale, non-poker related. Computers, bikes, whatever. There were offers for staking to the HHR tourney. But it seems to me that having to put a ticket for sale in the general marketplace would make it pretty hard to find, and it could get lost among all the other stuff being sold all over the country/world.

Is it really so bad to be able to say "I have a THR specific item for sale, PM me" in the THR thread? It just seems like that would be the best place for both those interested in selling and buying. Or is there another part of the marketplace I missed where those types of things should go without getting buried?

Just seems to make sense to be able to list that type of stuff in the venue thread. Thoughts?

Thanks.

Before I was a mod I made a similar argument as you about stuff like this. Now that I'm a mod I approve of the policies.

The main reason for making people use the marketplace is for posters' protection. In order to start a marketplace thread, you need to be marketplace approved (there's an explanation of the requisites needed in the FAQ of that forum). This will cut down on the number of potential scams. And if someone does scam, they can be reported for it, and their approval will be revoked. If we let people buy/sell anywhere they want, there's no way to impose such restriction on specific posters.

The proper subforum is here, the General Marketplace: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...l-marketplace/

I understand that it would make sense to want to post in the Tampa thread, because that is your intended audience. But then there's no oversight as to what's going on. I *think* it's ok to post a link to your marketplace thread, but I'll let Rapini confirm that.

Thanks for the reply. I read through the marketplace sign up info, and can see the benefit of selling them there. But the general marketplace is sort of like having classified ads without any subcategories like "autos, pets, furniture" etc which could make it hard to find things.

If you can in fact put a link to a marketplace post in the venue thread, that wold be great. You can get the attention of the interested audience but retain the safeguards of the marketplace. I perhaps incorrectly assumed the rule was you can't mention anything about the tickets in the venue thread and that's why they are removed.

I'll check with Rapini before posting any posts like that.

Yes as a poster you're somewhat shielded from a lot of things (as was I). When I became mod and gained access to a lot of other things (mod forum, deleted posts, user notes, etc) I was able to see all the crap that goes on behind the scenes and gained a new appreciation for some of the rules that are in place.

I'll ask him to post here as well, because I don't have clarity on this specific issue (posting marketplace link).

I personally don't like the idea of putting anything involving financial transactions in the B&M Forum (whether that be ride shares, room shares, tourney entry sales, etc.), but I also can't argue with the logic I quoted.

If the community thinks that there is sufficient demand, it can self-police this stuff with common sense, and it won't come whining to us/the admins when someone inevitably gets scammed, then we should very seriously consider allowing that kind of stuff.

I'm on vacation at the moment but I'll post in the mod forum next week (or maybe Lattimer can) to see how it works out in forums other than MP where people are allowed to post financial transactions.

Also thanks Browser and Lattimer for the good thoughts on the issue. Everyone else please chime in if you have opinions either way.

Personally, it is a really bad idea to allow people to offer to buy and sell anything in B&M. No matter how many "Buyer Beware" warnings you make, somebody is going to get scammed eventually and be angry about it. The Marketplace mods have the controls in place. You have to acknowledge that 2+2 has nothing to do with the transactions. Besides, the best place to sell a lammer for a tournament is at the casino itself where you can say, "Hey, I've got an entry to play X, anyone interested?"

I wouldn't allow it in LLSNL. However, I keep saying Rapini is getting soft.

I think the proposal we are looking at isn't allowing anything to be sold in B&M per se, but rather simply allow a post like "i have a Tampa HR satty ticket for sale in the marketplace; here's the link xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"

That keeps all the MP controls in place, but makes it easy for people to see it in the venue thread. I agree it's best to try and sell at a venue, but mine has 50 tables and it wouldn't really be approriate to go trolling around the room like the cigarrette girl. Plus, I play the overnight shift, and don't have access to the daytime players.

Do you still see a problem if it were done that way?

Thanks.

Rapini please grow up and stop deleting my posts. They all are on topic and contribute something to the thread they are in. Thanks and have a wonderful evening.

I'm pretty sure I told you that you were no longer welcome in B&M after you went full ****** about a 24-hr tempban for evading the profanity filter, discussing moderation in a substantive thread, and making personal attacks.

If you have a problem with that don't post here or elsewhere in B&M; take it to a site admin.

Or you could post in ATF. Just what they need - another pointless thread.

If you're lucky, your temp-ban will be made permanent (hardly the first time such a result has occured) and then you won't have to worry about any of this anymore.....

Lee

So, are we really not even allowed to make jokes about Phil Hellmuth being a crybaby now?

I assume you made one and it got deleted? In what thread?

Was it a Phil Hellmuth joke thread? It probably wasn't in B&M then.

In the B&M Talking Stick Resort thread, one other guy and I made a comment each joking about Hellmuth's announcing of the final table and both were deleted.

It's awesome that there had to be two casino Arizona threads. b&m and m&b have their own...

Oh I see it now. They're low content posts. In the Poker Venues sub-forum, posts that are solely comprised of a joke or minutiae are considered low-content and will be deleted. In other words, posts need to contribute positively to the thread. We created the Regional Communities sub-forum for those who want to chit-chat or make one-off remarks.

Of course any joke is low content, but no lower content than tons of other posts that are allowed to stay all the time.

Just one example from the previous week:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=3304
(If you don't want to bother to click the link, the entire post is: "Sweeeeet.")

Would probably get deleted if you click report post

Thanks for the heads up; I just took care of it. Please let us know via the Report Post function if you see more low-/no-content stuff in the future in the Poker Venue threads and we'll review it.

Agreed. It's great that posters have so many options. There's also the Arizona thread Regional Communities if you want to tell jokes or have other low-/no-content chatter with folks from Arizona.

That "sweeeet" post was really just an example of one of the tons of low content posts that are allowed here. It wasn't bothering me. Still wondering what bothered someone enough about the Hellmuth posts to have them deleted. I'll just have to guess some Hellmith fan took it personally,

I think the thing you're not understanding is that the Poker Venues forum is not the place for jokes. If you want to post jokes, you're going to need to post in the Regional Communities subforum or elsewhere in 2+2.

I understand that is what you are saying, but you don't seem to realize that the low-content filter seems to be applied either selectively about certain topics, or else completely arbitrarirly, either of which seem unfair to me.

It's not like I just randomly posted a joke - I posted a funny comment about some Casino Arizona news, a "FYP" of someone else's post. It would have had no context in another thread and therefore would have made no sense.

We're doing our best, but we're human just like you. We try to be impartial and consistent when taking moderation actions, but we can't please everyone all the time. It should come as no surprise that the person whose post is edited or removed is almost always the one who thinks the mods are being arbitrary, selective, etc., in that particular situation.

Like I said before, you can help us by reporting posts you believe are inappropriate and we'll review the reports when we see them. You can't complain about moderation being arbitrary or inconsistent if you aren't willing to help out by reporting the posts you think remain only as a result of that allegedly arbitrary or inconsistent moderation.

Mods don't see every post unless they're reported. When they see them, they remove them.