Hooray for the new sub-forums! Seriously, folks, let's all do our best to make them work out well. They should be a great addition, but let's all play nice together and follow the rules.

Thank you.

Lee
PS: Saw them, and had the perfect 1st thread for the communities one.... Then quickly realized that no new threads can be posted yet.

Both forums are now open.

Many of the casino-specific threads have been moved, but this will be an ongoing process over the next 48 hours or so.

I haven't moved anything into the Regional Communities forum yet, and will probably leave that for Rapini over the next couple of days, as he's the man with the vision.

I'm sure the first couple of weeks will see some changes as we discover a few implications and/or problems we may not have thought of at first. But if everyone has a little patience, I'm sure it will all work out. Of course, suggestions and constructive criticism are welcome.

I like what I see so far.


You should consider locking the newPoker Venues from people starting new threads.

I believe that you can have a rule in the FAQ's that states to open a new Thread you have to contact a Mod for approval before posting. This should help the Mods from having to lock and/or move non-sense threads that shouldn't be started in that sub forum.

If I had to guess I'll bet there should be more than one thread per week starting in this new sub forum with some exceptions like when a new state starts offering poker.


Also, Is a link going to be added under the General Poker table or at least when you click on B&M show the sub-forums like marketplace does?

Well, of course we could. Now whether that would be more or less work for the mods is another question. I suspect it would be more, but the suggestion is something we'll keep in mind.

As for these showing up as subforums, they are already, unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean.

I see it now showing up as the subforums....sometimes I have to open my eyes.

I think the Regional Communities thread has some serious potential.

I think that both sub-forums have serious potential.

Meanwhile, the main B&M forum looks really weird with all the "moved" threads on the first few pages!

I know that this will clear up in time - but it really struck me at this late hour.

Lee

Can we get the Arizona Poker Thread moved to the regional forum? There's some good information in there as well as a spreadsheet document listing what games are available where.

Done.

Just had a PM convo with Bobo Fett re the geographic scope of the RC threads. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Palimax's idea of letting the "boundaries" develop organically is what we're going to do for now. If anyone feels like those boundaries should be changed later, simply shoot me a PM and let me know. If the regs in that thread feel like something should be added or removed, I can edit the title for you.

nice reorganization of bnm whoever did it

Credit goes to RR, Bobo Fett, me, and most importantly a great number of forum members and other moderators who came up with the structure for the subforums collaboratively and to Bobo Fett for actually creating the subforums on the admin side for us.

Hopefully it will work out for the best, but if there are changes that need to be made down the road after we give this a try we're open to that.

Wow.

B&M is like a Hoarder's House that has been cleaned and repainted. Just awesome. Still some work left, but looks better already.

Good job.

New sub-forums are looking great.

Wondering why the following aren't included in the "Venues" sub-forum. Seems to me like they should be:

Games around Minnesota, etc.

North Dakota live poker.

St. Louis, Missuri thread.

Niagra Falls poker thread.

Seattle Poker.

Detroit Poker.

Colorado Poker.

London Poker.

Oops - hit reply too soon.

Macau Poker

Wendover, NV Poker.

San Francisco Bay area poker.

Kahnawake Montreal area poker.

San Diego Poker

Kansas City Poker.

Gotta quit hitting that reply button so quick:

East Bay area poker.

That seems to be it for the first 4 pages of threads.

Thanks.

Lee

They'll get there. They said it'd be an ongoing process over the next 48 hours or so.

I'm sure. There is a lot to do here, and so far I'ld say that it's going well.

Lee

So I like that B&M has now split off subforums for individual poker rooms and regional communities. But I don't really understand why the new forums are organized the way they are...to me, the natural split is by region and not splitting off individual room threads from general community threads.

It seems to me that in general, you want to organize forums in such a way that people interested in one thread within a forum are likely to also want to read other threads in that same forum. But the way this is split has the opposite effect. Each person is likely to only be interested in one particular thread in the Regional Communities forum. It seems a little silly to be constantly having the look over that forum just for that one thread. Even in the Venue forum, people have to wade through a bunch of irrelevant threads to find the few threads that relate to their region.

It seems more sensible to me to have, for instance, an Atlantic City region forum which would include the Borgata thread, the Harrah's thread, the AC About Town thread, etc. There is already an entire Vegas forum similar to this, although it does not contain the individual room threads. Similar subforums could be created for New England, Southern California, Florida, etc, with another catch-all forum for other regions. It also seems that these forums are more likely to generate activity, since people will more actively follow and post in forums with a high signal-to-noise ratio of relevance to them.

Does anyone have a reason why the current structure has any advantages over having regional subforums?

I said this before, but the answer, apparently, is that it'd be too hard to moderate friendly chatty posts next to oh-so-srss posts...

Why lie when the actual reasoning is on the same page of the same thread?

Looks great so far...

Specific suggestion - assuming that the Kahnawake/Montreal thread is going to be moved to the regional sub forum, it should probably be renamed.

Right now it is: Kahnawake (near Montreal) Poker rooms - Snakes, Four Aces, Playground

But the names of the particular rooms in that title is already out of date (Four Aces closed), so it would be a good idea to remove that part of the title.

IN addition to this, it would probably be a good idea to make a single thread for the whole region - from my perspective as a participant it would be appropriate to just rename the existing thread when it is moved.

I suggest renaming the forum: Montreal area poker (including Kahnawake).

Thanks!

Yeah, I could have possibly taken a different interpretation of the issue.

I'm a liar.

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I'll add on to this while the window is still open, but I'll let my previous, angry post stand.

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It being a problem for the users to not follow the rules isn't nearly as much as a problem for the users and it is for the moderators. It's a problem for the moderators if the users don't follow the instructions. Hence my short summary that it would be a PITA for the moderators.

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Further, while I'm happy to see the forum subdivisions, I still think we did it wrong. The "community" threads are absolutely in the wrong place, and reading the "location" thread is just as impossible as it was before. You have to wade through pages of casinos you'll never visit to find the one you care about, instead of having everything you care about in one place, in a regional split. Now you're better off subscribing to the thread you care about for your "home" casino, and then only visiting that forum if you're traveling -- where you'd still be better off looking in a regionally split sub-forum.

I predict bad things for the community forum.

I don't quite understand what the big deal is with the "moderation standards". It doesn't seem like the average 2+2 user is going to be able to distinguish between moderation across the two subforums, but would not be able to distinguish across two threads in the same forum. They are either going to understand the moderation standards or they aren't.

Plus, would it really be that big a deal to end up with "chatty" posts in the casino threads? Rapini said this would create "serious problems", but really, what would those problems be?

It just seems silly to me to create an illogical structure for the subforums, and make things more difficult for the typical user, just make it slightly easier for the moderator to maintain different standards.

The new subforums have actually made it harder for people to find the few venue and region threads that they are interested in, because now they have to wade through three forums to do so rather than just one.

Well they'll never have to look for them in the main forum, because they won't be there. As far as info and chat threads being separated into 2 separate subforums - 2 additional mouse clicks, oh noes!