1) he got 2000 for a hand playing 1/2 nl
2) the last place on earth i'd ever give anyone money (aside from a tip) is at a casino
3) if you're gonna be nice and throw someone extra money don't throw it to some nit who doesn't even 3 bet qq

enjoy the hit.
most of us have shredded tons of money on these stupid bbj drops. be glad you aren't one of us.

"Counterfeited" is an interesting term to use.

From the description of the action, the pot was about $540.

On the turn, QQ is winning and whatever the River card, he cannot win less than $540.

Brick: $540 pot
A : $2000 table share (plus a tax form)
9 : $26K BBJ (plus tax form)

How about this scenario: What happens if the bad beat was only quads over quads?

hmmm, interesting but I don't know if I've ever seen a poker room use those stipulations. But I'd guess in that scenario the Royal gets table share

this.

BBjackpots are a part of poker variance. Never feel bad about being on the right side of variance. That is what poker is all about.

unless that is only your second time playing live. Then you should feel horrible and give everyone at the table 1.5k.

Motor City Casino (Detroit), and perhaps others, have that exact stipulation for the 'major' jackpot portion. But they also have a 'mini' jackpot (10% of the major) for when AAAJJ gets beat by 'quads or better'.

In this case here the Royal, which shouldn't have been in the hand in the first place, would've really spoiled the party! You can't pick and choose who beat who in a hand for the benefit of creating a (bigger) jackpot winner.


In other news, the BBJ in Milwaukee starts out by requiring that 8888x be beat by better and then the minimum hand goes lower as the jackpot grows. I think every 50K added drops the hand down 1 notch.

So each jackpot can have it's own unique rules. There's a BBJ at a casino in Traverse City, MI that hasn't hit in over 6 years! You can bet that they will be stepping in and changing those requirements 'as soon as' this one hits. Per some conversation in the room, they are stuck until it does hit ... or the casino closes (which isn't going to happen anytime soon.) GL

He flopped the nut straight and got it all-in..?

Context. People have been saying he shouldn't have even seen a flop since QQ should've re-raised. But this isn't a strategy forum and not the place to dig into this.

more like subtle brag thread, still nice hand.

Last time I played there I thought it was AAAKK beaten by quads or better. I could be wrong, though.

If you want to be "nice", just push him the main pot, rebuy and wait for your $26k.

This is what I was thinking. The only way for him to hit the bad beat was to go Q/9

Either way, I would never give him any money.

Semantics on the counterfeiting I guess. I think it fits fine.

We say 'that' in poker when a player has a winning (leading/dominating) hand and then he doesn't, right? QQQQ was ahead on the Turn and then 'got counterfeited' on the River, going from 1st to 3rd in hand rank. Swapping places with the KT as played.

Assuming AAAQQ qualifies for the BBJ, our OP was discussing any 'courtesy' due to the QQQQ guy since he 'now' lost the pot and effectively may have lost $11K by dropping down to a $2K table share if AAAQQ plays in the BBJ.

If the 9s comes out, then OP gets 'counterfeited' from the BBJ by dropping from 2nd to 3rd hand rank. Dang 5-card game anyway ...

As pointed out in an earlier post ... It's hard to feel sorry for a guy who possibly won more money by 'hitting' a 2-outer (if the AAAQQ didn't BBJ qualify). GL

PS ... If this is Choctaw in Oklahoma then it takes 7777x to 'lose' the BBJ, so the River was a 2-outer and it just happened that AA and QQ each 'had' one of the 2 outs more in their favor than the other. GL

No, we do not say they were counterfeited.

You have a straight on the Turn and I hit my flush on the River. Do you really say you were counterfeited?

The way I see it used:
K7 v AK on a Turn board of KQ72 ... a River Q does counterfeit K7's two pair. That is, it makes his pair of 7's irrelevant.

I usually hear "Nice hit" but it's used enough here in the Midwest to qualify. The 2 pair example is the prime example for sure.

Square = Rhombus = Parallelogram

Trips = Set .. not so much, but perhaps a reliable way to spot a possible fish .. GL

I always thought that if I ever lost with quads that qualify I would be the happiest man alive. I was wrong, thanks to this thread.

With regards to giving him anything, absolutely not! He gets table share!

Damn - just DAMN

Just because people use the term that way doesn't make it correct. Just like trips/set, or their/the're/there, etc. Using the term "counterfeit" in that way really doesn't make any sense and is also a mark of a fish.

For an example that would affect a BBJ, say the board is JJT9, one person holds JJ, and the other 87. With a river Q, the SF gets counterfeit and the BBJ is void.

Consider yourself lucky. I wonder what the percentage is of casinos across North America that make this ruling? Here in PA, AAAA would be SOL.

QQQQ has the worst hand. Royal has the best hand. Those two would get the BBJ portions. You would get a table share (unless I am not remembering something).

This is pretty freaking rare, though, that there would be 3 BB eligible hands hit. Probably one in a billion type of thing.

Yeah, this situation is sooooooo rare I wonder why casinos are generally so stingy in their rules on it. I don't think the OP owes the third player any money, but the casino should change their rules.

Honestly, some casino should just make their rule that if two hands simultaneously qualify for the BBJP, everyone at the table wins a million dollars. I'm sure they'd gain more in publicity than they'd lose in expected value.

I don't think you're right about this. Every casino I've played in with a bad beat, QQ is SOL, AA gets the big portion, and SF gets the small portion. Including the PA casinos.

this.

It wouldn't make sense to rank the 3rd best hand as the bad the beat when the entire reason behind the bad beat jackpot is to reward the 2nd best hand.

I've never seen a shuffler positioned like that but it makes sense for the dealer/ergonomics.

Neat story.

Technically QQ hit a worse bad beat as AA was dead on the turn. Obv its third on river though so house rules he doesn't win the 26k.