So I was playing 1/2 at Aria. Few limpers, guy makes it 15, I make it 55 from BB. He flats. Flop was like 236. I cbet. He calls. Turn is a 4. I tank and look at his stack. At this point he starts talking a lot. He was obviously trying to get a check from me because he wasn't very strong. I'm not replying and still tanking. He goes "I'm calling whatever you bet so don't even try it." I still am thinking and then he pushes his chips across the line (Aria has a line rule) and says I call whatever you bet. So this was an obvious angle shoot to get me to check. I assumed, since he bet out of turn, if I checked he would then get the option to bet or check? So it looks like he is super weak and wants to get to showdown for free and the turn was going to going check check, if I checked. So I decide to shove. He says '****!! I call...'

River is Q. He says you win. I flip over AK. He flips over 77... Whatever, he was weak, but I probably should have just gave up on the hand.
But, then I was thinking about it later, and I don't think I have ever been in a situation like this. And I'm not sure if I know the rules 100%. If I checked, would his bet have been enforced or would he have had the option to take his chips back behind the line and check, like I thought? I think I may be wrong on this one now on second thought? OOPS.... Also when I shoved did he still have the option to fold? Or would he be forced to call because of the line rule? Not really use to playing with a line rule and especially not with a line rule and an angle shooter. Thanks

if you check, his bet stands

But when I shoved, since the action changed, he did have the option to fold, correct?

You should have asked the dealer to explain the room rules for out of turn action.

Next time, after the hand, find the Poker Room Shift Manager and ask him what his ruling would have been.

Posters can tell you what they think "should have been" the ruling, but only someone in charge at Aria can give you an informed answer.

where i play, the money he put in the pot would have to stand no matter what, but he could still have the option to fold.

Just a quick side question on this hand, OP.(won't affect ruling)

Were you trying to bluff this 1-2 player with ace high, or did you think you had the best hand?

Obviously trying to bluff lol. Stupid I know.

Ty. Will ask next time I'm there.

I have no idea what you are talking about. He never bet.

Your only question is whether that room would enforce the conditional call "whatever You bet I call"

If you check, he can't call a check so you can't enforce it.

Pushing all of your chips purposefully past a betting line can't be confused with a bet??? Regardless of any verbal declaration?

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Does not compute.

That's terrible, a bastardization of another bad rule (undercalls stay in the pot). I don't think your room understands their rules or the reasons for them.

This isn't an angle shoot, just a bunch of table talk and an out of turn action.

After he pushed his chips, just fold. If you check, his bet would stay anyway.

Really if a check and put put chips is that a bet? If a say fold and put out chips is that bet.

The player announced he was calling.

Three different issues here, all room dependant
1. Are conditional statements binding?
2. Does his physical action, when combined with his statement, represent an out of turn bet, or a conditional call?
3. Is there a penalty for intentionally acting out of turn?

My interpretation, if he spoke first then moved his chips, that his actions do not represent an out of turn bet, as he verbally declared his intent. The question is, in heads up play at the Aria, are you allowed to do that, and is it binding?

Not an angle, in my opinion.

Guy bets 100 out of turn, player shoves 400, guy either can call remaining 300, or fold but the 100 he put out is still gone.

No saying it's right, but I think the reasoning is to prevent someone from betting out of turn, inducing a check, and then checking behind.

doesn't his out of turn bet over rule him saying "whatever you bet I'll call"?

The difference between us is that I don;t think he ever made a bet.

op says :
This is very clear to me that his act of pushing out the chips was his call not a bet. It seems to me that the context of this is very clear. The player is announcing a call and shoving out his chips. I don't think his bet override shis call because he has never bet.

To me the only rules questions here are:

1) If OP bets is the villian's conditional out of turn action binding?

2) If OP checks, can Villian bet? That is to say does a announcement of the conditional call OOT preclude a bet when a call is not a valid action?

3) regardless of whether its binding, is it permissible? That is does the player need to be warned not to do this in the future?

you can't call a non existent bet.

If OP checks, angle shoot guy's bet stands (action hasn't changed).

Conditional statements like whatever you bet I call aren't binding. Putting chips over the line - to me that's a bet.

First off whether you can call a nonexistent bet (that is make a conditional call) is matter of house rules. Some places make these actions binding.

Second it is absurd to me to say that because he can;t call his physical action that clearly was part of his attempt to call now turns into a bet. When he pushed the chips out every body knew his intention was not to make a bet.

Suppose Player A and Player B are in a hand. Player A is contemplating his action (the action is on Player A) and he asks Player B "how much are playing?" Player B is horrible at counting and stacking chips and he starts to try to count them but finally just shoves them out into the betting area where they would presumably be closer and easier to see for player A. (I have seen this scenario more than just a few times).

Has Player B committed himself to a bet? OR a call? or anything?

Of course not. It is clear his physical action was not intended to be a bet. He should be no more bound to betting those chips than if he accidentally knocked chips into the betting area....

I'm pretty sure written poker rules avoid discussions about "intent" because that requires mind reading.

Example: An intent to fold where the cards land face up, revealing the better hand (misread hand) can be live, even though there was forward motion and the intent was to fold, because the cards ended up tabled.

Actions and statements are what matter. And a statement that's inherently conditional ("whatever you bet I call" is the same thing as "if you bet I call") is not a binding statement, but the chip movement is an action out of turn.

there was no bet to call though. So if I'm UTG and I say "I don't wanna bet" but I slide my stack over the line, can I take it back? this is a totally different situation and yes I see it all the time, they are not betting, they're either counting or showing their chips.