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12-20-2009 , 03:02 AM
Everything DN said about Hellmuth was spot on imo. Hellmuth has almost zero chance winning in this line up becouse they all know he is nitty and just doesnt get payed becouse of his tight table image. This is the reason DN booked him ofcourse.
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12-20-2009 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by andreyit
haha so you assume Hellmuth is not very good?? lol it's like saying someone who won 11 grand slams is bad at tennis, it doesn't make much sense, does it?

He might not be as good as the nosebleeds in cashgames but he is DEFINATELY one of the best tournament players of all time. He is in the top of tournament results, and nobody won as much as he won in his career in NLHE.
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Dude I don't care, I just hate those who criticize Hellmuth with no reason, he is prolly the best tournament poker player of all time. Ok, he might not be as good as those nosebleeds in cashgames but nobody can't discuss his success in NLHE tournaments. They have an absolute biased view on his play cus the mix up different things. I don't care if his arrogant, cocky whatever, judge him by his skills not his attitude. He has been crushing the game in the 90s (any1 disagree with it?) and he'd had lots of success after the poker boom cashing several times in the Main Event. Nobody I mean nobody ever answered me with FACTS, do I need to say why?? Period

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PH represent me in so many ways. PH represent the good player, and the rivalry against the donks and the awful poker. The way I hate donks calling with nothing or getting paid off by sucking out makes me like PH even more, cus i know what it feels specially in the lower stakes, but it happens in highers stakes as well.

Those who hate PH are probably fishes who often suckout with a horrible play, those who know what is poker all about shud know Phil Hellmuth is a great ambassador of the good play, the logic, and the skill.
Dude, seriously get off PH's nuts
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12-20-2009 , 07:29 PM
I think it's cool that DN enjoys the prop bets. It livens up the game a bit to see him so excited about it.
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12-21-2009 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by jojoh07
Daniel must be proud to have the biggest troll on this board praising him.,

DANIEL ......... the poker world does not need you to be the hero and save all us average joe's , please dont spin this to you doing everyone a favour .

Instead of bashing the so called fish that is hellmuth , maybe you should improve your cash game where when you criticize hellmuth your critisicm has some kind of merit.

I was a fan of yours and so was my wife but these last 2 weeks we both have seen something in you that is very ugly , This is not the same person who was freindly and likable that we have followed for years . You have mentioned his actions cause you to do these yet you are reaching to his level and looking as bad as he does in his worse times . 2 douchebags dont make a right

I hope you go back to your roots , cause we miss the person we used to praise as someone who made us proud to be a poker player and even more a proud canadian represantitive.
I have to agree with you jojo. Daniel you really came across as a huge a-hole on the PAD cash game series. I don't see why you feel it is up to you to stoop to the level of PH and just berate him the whole time. You also make yourself look very silly by berating Hellmuth's game when clearly yours is not much better against that line up. This isn't the Daniel Negreanu that all your fans have come to like and respect.

I used to be a big fan of yours, but sadly that is all changing now due to the above.

I hope you go back to being the old DN.
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12-21-2009 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by CRUDEFINDER
Will some Mods ban this troll?
+1
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12-21-2009 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Watermelons8
+1
No there are many Ivey and durr nuthuggers on these boards , if that was the case half of posters on these boards would be banned, So what he likes Hellmuth.
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12-21-2009 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jojoh07
No there are many Ivey and durr nuthuggers on these boards , if that was the case half of posters on these boards would be banned, So what he likes Hellmuth.
He's calling people names and stuff, banhammer is required.
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12-21-2009 , 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jojoh07
No there are many Ivey and durr nuthuggers on these boards , if that was the case half of posters on these boards would be banned, So what he likes Hellmuth.
are u blind??
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12-21-2009 , 11:08 AM
I hope PH falls off a cliff, only to be swooped up by superman right before impact, and then dropped accidentally as they hurl into the sky even higher...
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12-21-2009 , 01:46 PM
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I hope PH falls off a cliff, only to be swooped up by superman right before impact, and then dropped accidentally as they hurl into the sky even higher...
Okk now this is permitted since it's against Hellmuth. U see why I get this annoyed?

There is so much hatred to PH, so much that it's unconceivable. Everytime someone blast him for no reason, or just because he was to "rude" or he is too "cocky"... cmon get serious. Negreanu's ego is much more irritating, last PAD showed the other side of him, I've never ever seen Hellmuth pick on someone for no reason, the only way Hellmuth can criticize someone is because of his play that is as far as his critics goes. It's sad how DN keeps defending himself after that pathethic attitude he had last PAD, there is no way you can defend yourself after behaving like such a douche. His "nice guy" appearance has already been demythologize. At least he should admit he was wrong and say some kind of apology if he wants to show some class.

Last edited by andreyit; 12-21-2009 at 01:53 PM.
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12-21-2009 , 01:57 PM
it was a joke obviously..? not that funny but w/e
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12-21-2009 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jojoh07
No there are many Ivey and durr nuthuggers on these boards , if that was the case half of posters on these boards would be banned, So what he likes Hellmuth.
It's interesting that you choose the term nuthugger, given the subject and tone of the vast majority of your posts. The problem is your own bias towards Hellmuth prevents you from looking at things objectively. The quoted posts didn't just suggest that he's a Hellmuth fan, they were childish and attacking other posters. And yet because you know he likes Hellmuth, you defend him anyways.

The thing is I used to like Hellmuth, when I first got into poker. He was my favorite player, and I would defend his tirades similar to the way you do now.

But somewhere along the way, I realized how big of a douche he can be at the tables. When things go wrong, he acts like a child, has no class, and treats people terribly. He comes off like a completely self absorbed person with raging insecurities. He reminds me of alot of kids when they're in the 18-20 rage, except he's 45. I just can't respect someone with such a lack of character, or who treats other people like that.

You don't have to acknowledge this post, and you can keep defending everything he does, but take it from someone who used to be a fan, there's a reason I don't like him anymore, and it has nothing to do with how he plays cards.
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12-21-2009 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jmill
It's interesting that you choose the term nuthugger, given the subject and tone of the vast majority of your posts. The problem is your own bias towards Hellmuth prevents you from looking at things objectively. The quoted posts didn't just suggest that he's a Hellmuth fan, they were childish and attacking other posters. And yet because you know he likes Hellmuth, you defend him anyways.

The thing is I used to like Hellmuth, when I first got into poker. He was my favorite player, and I would defend his tirades similar to the way you do now.

But somewhere along the way, I realized how big of a douche he can be at the tables. When things go wrong, he acts like a child, has no class, and treats people terribly. He comes off like a completely self absorbed person with raging insecurities. He reminds me of alot of kids when they're in the 18-20 rage, except he's 45. I just can't respect someone with such a lack of character, or who treats other people like that.

You don't have to acknowledge this post, and you can keep defending everything he does, but take it from someone who used to be a fan, there's a reason I don't like him anymore, and it has nothing to do with how he plays cards.
don't lie sir
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12-21-2009 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by andreyit
don't lie sir
Could prove it pretty easily if you'd like to put your money where your mouth is.

Sir.
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12-21-2009 , 03:52 PM
No way you were a fan and now u talking trash about him. At least if u don't like him anymore u don't go ranting and blasting him in every post if u were a truly fan.

Sir nobody will belive u were a real fan of him.


Bipolar?
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12-21-2009 , 04:01 PM
There is clip after clip of Helmuth on YouTube berating players, dealers and tournament officials. If that is not enough evidence to satisfy these people who are mad because Daniel "dissed" their hero, then I'm sure that arguing with these ******s that Phil is just getting what he deserved is useless. He even blamed the dealer on this show for his losses and asked when the dealers would change. That is sooo unproffesional.

They also cannot understand that Daniel had money bet with Phil, and tilting him is just lining his pockets. That is as much a part of live poker as betting.
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12-21-2009 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CRUDEFINDER
There is clip after clip of Helmuth on YouTube berating players, dealers and tournament officials. If that is not enough evidence to satisfy these people who are mad because Daniel "dissed" their hero, then I'm sure that arguing with these ******s that Phil is just getting what he deserved is useless. He even blamed the dealer on this show for his losses and asked when the dealers would change. That is sooo unproffesional.

They also cannot understand that Daniel had money bet with Phil, and tilting him is just lining his pockets. That is as much a part of live poker as betting.
lol so this is very proffessional oh yeah.

biased view proved
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12-21-2009 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by andreyit
No way you were a fan and now u talking trash about him. At least if u don't like him anymore u don't go ranting and blasting him in every post if u were a truly fan.
Um, I don't do this. Not only are the majority of my posts not related to him at all, the ones that are simply comment on his behavior, which happens to be very poor at times. He shows both a lack of character, and a lack of self awareness.

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Sir nobody will belive u were a real fan of him.
If you're going to keep saying this, and imply that I'm lying, then put your money where your mouth is. I already know I can provide proof if given incentive(your $), it's not a question of if anyone will believe me. If you don't want to bet on it, then your opinion has no value to me.
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12-21-2009 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by revg
I have to agree with you jojo. Daniel you really came across as a huge a-hole on the PAD cash game series. I don't see why you feel it is up to you to stoop to the level of PH and just berate him the whole time. You also make yourself look very silly by berating Hellmuth's game when clearly yours is not much better against that line up. This isn't the Daniel Negreanu that all your fans have come to like and respect.

I used to be a big fan of yours, but sadly that is all changing now due to the above.

I hope you go back to being the old DN.
+1.

Used to be a big fan too - but there's something really weird about your persona now, DN. You used to come across so happy-go-lucky which was great. You regulated it well to avoid giving away too much info from what I saw etc. But now there's just an air of.. almost desperation. Like you know you don't quite belong at the tables you're sitting at: on HSP, on PAD - but you won't quite accept it, which I can understand. But gone is the 'fun', and is replaced with seriousness, venom at times, and desperate inclusive statements that are apparently supposed to make you look like 'one of the gang' :P I remember a little while ago you talking about PH, and about how you (plural, referring to you and the others at the table) are always glad to have PH at the table because he's a cash-game fish and doesn't belong etc... It's really hard to watch the conviction on your face without realising the irony.

Oh and btw - this new attitude of yours has turned you into a bit of a tellbox. Seriously, take a good look at the tapes.
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12-21-2009 , 05:03 PM
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Like you know you don't quite belong at the tables you're sitting at: on HSP, on PAD - but you won't quite accept it
LoL, I don't get you muppets. Daniel said as much on his interview on the directors cut.
Do you people even watch the shows we're talking about? Dayummmm!
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12-21-2009 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jmill
Um, I don't do this. Not only are the majority of my posts not related to him at all, the ones that are simply comment on his behavior, which happens to be very poor at times. He shows both a lack of character, and a lack of self awareness.



If you're going to keep saying this, and imply that I'm lying, then put your money where your mouth is. I already know I can provide proof if given incentive(your $), it's not a question of if anyone will believe me. If you don't want to bet on it, then your opinion has no value to me.
Quite a poor character on someone who just worries about money and money and only money. If only betting motivates u then I predict poor things as well.
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12-21-2009 , 05:19 PM
They(team CR) should just ship Isildur 1.5mm or something for being scumbags.
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12-21-2009 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by andreyit
Quite a poor character on someone who just worries about money and money and only money. If only betting motivates u then I predict poor things as well.
Actually the money has very little value to me. You seem a little frustrated though with all the personal attacks.

Since you seem to be missing the point though, the money isn't really the issue here, it's you attempting to call me a liar, and attacking my character. Since I'm right, and can easily prove you wrong, money is just a way to keep score. I don't really want to derail the thread anymore with this, so if you want to bet we can do it through PMs.
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12-21-2009 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jmill
Actually the money has very little value to me. You seem a little frustrated though with all the personal attacks.

Since you seem to be missing the point though, the money isn't really the issue here, it's you attempting to call me a liar, and attacking my character. Since I'm right, and can easily prove you wrong, money is just a way to keep score. I don't really want to derail the thread anymore with this, so if you want to bet we can do it through PMs.
What u don't understand is that whatever u tell me or show me in order to prove it, I wouldn't still consider it enough to state it. As a starting point, I wud never ever considered u a fan in the past by the way u are referring to him, it's absolutely improbable. This fact is more important and determinant that anything u can use to prove u were fan of him. So I guess betting in this case wouldn't make much sense.
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12-21-2009 , 05:48 PM
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What u don't understand is that whatever u tell me or show me in order to prove it, I wouldn't still consider it enough to state it. As a starting point, I wud never ever considered u a fan in the past by the way u are referring to him, it's absolutely improbable. This fact is more important and determinant that anything u can use to prove u were fan of him. So I guess betting in this case wouldn't make much sense.
Your (biased) opinion in the matter wouldn't have been relevant.
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