I'm wondering where else he thought he might move to?

That's what I couldn't figure. He's a regular curmudgeon, and he's also half deaf, so it's futile trying to figure it out. The new kid just gave up his seat change position, rather than rile the guy further.

"I want orange!"

Well, here we have red and yellow, so let's combine them for you.

"No, you don't understand, I want orange!"

Yes, we've just made orange, and here it is for you.

"Goddamnit, it's useless trying to talk to you."

Very well then.

I eeked out a tip from a crotchety old omaha player who rarely tips today.

He was UTG and it was a kill pot. I announced the kill pot multiple times and then finally prompted this guy to act with "$6 to call" cause if I didn't we would still be there waiting for him. So he looks at his cards, looks around and puts out $4.

Its $2 more sir, its a kill pot. He then says "why?"

So I told him

"Its because I don't like you and I saw you enter the pot so I increased the amount of the bet."

He threw me a $1.

I love when you can be honest and play it off like a joke

Great story! I think that's hilarious. I LOVE talking **** to players (in a fun/friendly manner)!!

I've been dealing for over 12 years now, mostly in Arizona and for a little over 4 years in Tampa, and I often think about posting in here, but I suck at typing (I still "chicken-peck" with my fingers) and I have awful O.C.D., so I usually get too frustrated to decide to actually start typing when I want to share something. Anyway, I just wanted to say that I really enjoy this thread and that I appreciate the people who take the time to share their stories with us. Especially, those of you who use proper punctuation and spelling!

Seriously, though, I really love talking **** to the players at my table!! And I admire those of you who also do it (without being rude/insulting/disrespectful, obviously).

I don't care much about making typos in these forums. I tend to trhink of the forums as a very informal place and if I make a typo ... so be it.

Well thank you.


I welcome you to do so. Although I'm just a suit and not the manager The rest is above my pay grade.

You, and many others, evidently.

By the way, after recently having a conversation with some of the higher-limit players (for the room I deal in) at the table about dealer-abuse by players, I was hoping to hear about some of the more-outrageous/abusive incidents that some of you have seen at a poker table?

I haven't seen anything really outrageous, just the (unfortunately) common profanity-laced tirades and demeaning comments from and treatment by the players. I'd like to think that I generally have relatively thick skin, but it does bother me that someone thinks they can personally attack (verbally) and demean you just because they lost a hand and/or have bad results when you deal to them. It just genuinely bothers me that they seem to think they can behave so despicably and get away with it; and, sadly, that they so often do get away with it. And even when you do make a mistake (which I certainly have), and even if it costs the player money, it doesn't mean that they should get to rudely and harshly berate the dealer and try to make them uncomfortable. It's already stressful and embarrassing after making a mistake - especially, if it changes the outcome of a hand/costs a player money - and I know that I'm very embarrassed and genuinely sorry for possibly having affected the hand I'm dealing because of a mistake that I've made. So it really does not serve to do any good to treat me disrespectfully afterward. Realistically, it likely serves to cause me to be continue to be uneasy and even more-prone to making another mistake.

I don't deal at a place that has egregious abuse from the players, so I don't want to come off as though I get terribly mistreated. However, I did hear that the dealer abuse at Commerce is absolutely horrible and that it is actually hard to believe what happens there. Are there any Commerce-regs here? If so, is the abuse there as bad as people say? And do you have any specific stories you'd like to share? Is the Commerce the worst in the country when it comes to abuse/mistreatment? Or is there a place that is worse?

Sorry for the long post. If anyone has any stories they'd like to share, I'd be glad to read them!

It varies by room. Where I work now, there's very low tolerance for that. There are people on life bans just for being a-holes. Other players will defend the a-holes while in the group, but as a whole it makes for a better room overall.

Somewhere else I worked, a friendly regular got a month ban just for making a comment about the dealer's ability to get laid. That was also a very juicy room.

On the flip side, I worked a place where a player was allowed to grab me and flash a homemade shank at me. As far as I know, he's still a regular there. I was fired long ago for being a troublemaker.

I was playing at the Wynn the other day and this conversation came up at the table I was playing. There was a guy playing at the table who I often see at the Bellagio. When he plays at the Bellagio, he is notorious for throwing cards and blaming whichever dealer is dealing to him. He's basically a real arsehole who should have been 86'd from the Bellagio long ago.

At the Wynn he was being a completely different person. Never said a word and never acted inappropriately. I asked him why he was being on his best behavior and he said because "the Wynn doesn't tolerate that here."

Rooms shouldn't let the inmates run the asylum. Strong floors who aren't afraid to discipline players lets the other players know that there are consequences for acting like a jerk. The problem with some rooms is they let the floors accept tips from players, so those who do tip will get multiple warnings before anything is ever done, if anything is ever done.

Tonight this guy showed up and a little tipsy from drinking and asked to play 2-5 so the brush told him he first on the list if he wants to sit at 1-2 until a seat opened. So within five minutes one of the floor guys picks up his chips and told him to just come back tomorrow cause he was being very mean cussing out the dealer for dealing a bad beat and also cussing out the older lady who sucked out. He follows the floor up to the podium running his mouth saying i'm here everyday whats your problem blah blah blah. Floor says I understand just come back tomorrow cause you're not being friendly and its making the players and my dealer uncomfortable. Guy keeps going on and calls the floor a clown so floor calls over security to escort him out and he wouldn't leave saying hold on I'm talking to this clown so then the on site cop shows up and says I'm giving you one warning to shut up and walk away. He keeps rambling to the floor so cop handcuffed him and arrested him. Its amazing how quickly everything escalated in a matter of 5 mins cause this guy was drunk. If he just left when he was asked to he could have came back next day like nothing ever happened.

While I totally agree inmates shouldn't run the asylum, I only somewhat agree on the tipping floors issue.

The real issue(s) are that management as a whole does a couple things poorly in general.

1. They may not pay the floors diddly.
2. The particular floor is most concerned about him/her self rather than the whole picture. This leads to blind eye syndrome from toking a-holes.
3. Upper management is afraid to lose 1 single customer, not realizing this costs them many more.
4. The offending player is a very big pit/slots player and casino management doesn't want them chased off because of something that happened in poker.

I have worked the floor. And I don't give a hoot how much you tip me. You'll act respectful.

Sadly too many floors cow tow to these people and the almighty redbird, greenbird, or even less. I could go on a major rant about bad floors. Gets my blood boiling. I should let it go there.

There are other issues as well.

Some times the "abuse" isn't always obvious to the floors .... because they aren't at the table when its happening. If the player doesn't seem like a problem to them but dealers are complaining it may be written off as the dealer having to thin skin.

In other rooms the floor may lack the authority to kick players out and they may need to get a shift manager, and they may view needing to get a shift manager as an admission that they could not deal with a situation.

Others seem to think that its somehow unfair to remove a player without issuing a warning first .... regardless of how severe the penalty.

others are lazy and would rather not deal with it.

In some rooms they may not feel they will be supported by the management above them.



And sometimes the dealers are just too thin skinned.

On hour 53 of my work week last week, I was a bit fuzzy in the head, and was operating more on instinct than anything else.

On the turn, Seat 8 bets big enough that it needs to be counted down and verified, Seat 4 calls with chips that require change. I count and verify the bet, then count and make change for the call. This is done a little slowly, because I pivot my chair and use my right hand in order to avoid rolling the stub. I announce, "Bet xxx and called, heads up." I pull in both of the bets. I rap the table. I burn.

As I'm pulling off the river, Seat 5 lifts up his hand and is all "Wait, I have cards!"

Yes, this is my fault.

But WHAT THE HELL.

I ask a guy tonight no less than five times for his BB by the time I'm done pitching the cards, with no sign of acknowledgement from him. As soon as I pitch the last card, I reach over to his seat, place my hand on the table with my fingers up and the palm facing him (to say "Halt!"), and when this gets his attention, I ask for his blind.

"It's coming," he says, annoyed. "I've played this game before."

God, I hate Aces Cracked night.

One limper, SB completes, $9 pot. All three check the flop and check the turn. On the river, SB bet $3. Our expert in the BB announces with glee, "Value time!", and lobs in a $25 chip.

"Call," I announce as it hits the felt. I don't know how I managed not to LOL.

(He made a monster, I pushed him his tiny pot. He acknowledged that he had wanted to raise, and that he should have announced it, because, "The dealer thought I called." The SB told him, "Well yeah, because you did.")

You can always sit back quietly w/o pitching any cards and just wait next time. After all, you're not allowed to deal until both blinds are up.

I think your buddy was at my room the otherday.

I sat down and he was in the one seat with a missed blind button. I asked him if he wanted to come in or wait. He just stared not making a sound, so I dealt him out. When blind got to him I asked him again. He just stared, so I asked again .... He growled "I answered you 5 hours ago"

"I'm sorry I must have missed it since i wasn't here 5 hours ago."

"Well you asked when you sat down"

"Yes but the blind has gotten to you now so I thought I should ask again"

I just dealt my first ever bad beat today. Ah 4h 5h 7h Jd on the board. Player 1 has 2h 3h, Player 2 has 6h 8h.

Naturally, my room doesn't have a bbj promotion. At least the bigger str flush held up for the high hand promo.

Lol I don't get why players feel entitled to being rude and miserable towards dealers.

UGH, this guy. Gotta love the double bind.

"Sorry, my crystal ball is in the shop."

That rarely goes over well. I try to say things like, "BB when you get a chance," or "It's your BB, don't forget." If it's still not out, when the action starts, "BB here, action starts here." Of course, UTG very often wants to wait for the BB to be posted before he folds.

If the dude is an ass-hat, I let him fold when it comes around, and then tell him he owes two bucks. I especially enjoy this on a limped pot.

He's the same guy who gets annoyed when you verify that he checked to close the action. "I CHECKED A LONG TIME AGO." Okay, buddy. One which side of this would you like me to err?

Har.

Of course, next time he plays, and you assume he'll post when he's damn good and ready, he'll be angry at your for not asking if he wanted to post.

"Why didn't you deal me in?"

"Because you looked at the table, assessed the position of the button, looked at your missed blind button, and then turned around and ate your dinner."

Woohoo, $100!

Oh don't worry, this guy is now on that list.

In fact, in my case, he IS that list.

I'm not a gaming employee, but thinking about trying to become one. If anyone here works (or has worked in the not too distant past) at Oceans 11 in Oceanside, CA, I would greatly appreciate being able to ask you a few questions. Especially if you were a prop player, but messages from dealers there would also be fine. Thanks!

Young kid sits down in the 1-seat in our $2-100 SL game. I have to tell him after his first hand that he needs to unrack his chips, so this tells me that he's new to our room. It wasn't long before I found out just how new he was...

First hand he plays, he open-raises to $10. The button calls, the blinds fold, two players to the flop. He bets the flop and takes it down, so I push him the pot. But he's not touching the chips that I pushed him. Instead, he lowers his face to within a foot of them, and he's counting. Then he's calculating, and he mutters, "$3," which happens to be the amount I raked (including bbj dollar). He drags the pot, then lowers his face to within a foot of the plaque that outlines the rake amount. And he's looking very concerned, so I thought I'd try to help him while pitching the cards for the next hand:

ME: You with me on that?

HIM: You took $3?

ME: Yeah. Your ten and his ten is twenty, so $2 for the house, and $1 for the jackpot.

HIM: But I thought if there was no further action, you didn't take anything.

ME: What?

HIM: I bet the flop, and he didn't call. If there's no action on the flop, you don't take anything.

Hey no turn, no drop right?

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