Ok so I have searched the B+M forum and can't get a good idea of winrate for 2/5. Assuming 30 hands/hour what would you say is a decent winrate for a GOOD player? $20/hour? $25?

At least.

i have seen 50/60hr done right in front of me over a 6 month period

$20/hour is for 1/2

I would say around 45-55/hr at $2/5NL is about right for a good winning reg. Thats what I made last year over a big sample size

So you made close to 100k last year?

tree fitty

if I had a dollar for everyone who made $50 per hr at 2/5 over a large sample size (2000 hrs in a year) who made nowhere near that I could retire.

Win rate depends if you are playing in a 500 max or 1000 max. It depends if you are playing 4 hrs a week (9PM-1AM on a sat night) or playing 2000 hours a year and ofcourse it depends on how you you play.

There are very few players who can sustain a $50 hr rate at 2/5 playing full time. If you are winning 30 dollars per hour year over year and playing a reasonable amount (say 500 hrs a year) you are probabaly in the top 2% of players. If you are winning $50 per hr year over year and playing 2000 hrs a year and if you are in the top .00001% of players because there are not many doing that.

Several things factor into this. I am less concerned about establishing a win rate per hour per session as I am with focusing on doubling/tripling my buy in over the course of a single session. The reason for this is that if you focus on trying to make 30/hr you will play hands you shouldn't. I set a target goal for my self which is doubling/tripling my buy in whether that takes 1 hand or 300 hands or 1min or 10 hours. Once your able to show a profit divide that buy your hours spent playing to get a win/hr. If you buy in for $200 at a 1/2 table and leave after 6 hours with $500 you are showing a $300 profit. $300/6hrs = 50/hr over roughly 180 hands (30 hands per hour).

To be able to achieve these results game selection is key. Play on the weeknights or weekends where half of the table are a combination of fish and donks. Play a TAAG style in loose games, and a loose passive style in tight games. Do not Bluff Maniacs or Nitts! You will be called down and will lose the majority of the time.

I've been running at 105/hr over the past 40 hrs and its totally sustainable!

[QUOTE=TA2727;26098230] I am less concerned about establishing a win rate per hour per session as I am with focusing on doubling/tripling my buy in over the course of a single session. The reason for this is that if you focus on trying to make 30/hr you will play hands you shouldn't. I set a target goal for my self which is doubling/tripling my buy in whether that takes 1 hand or 300 hands or 1min or 10 hours. ]


so idiotic not even worth a response

Last night I worked until midnight, then went to play. Only bought for 400(wanted to play 1/2, but saw an INSANELY soft table, took my shot). Tripled up third hand. End of the down, they were one short of combining, so I racked up and left. After tips and add a few more blind steals, racked up 1220. 820 in 30 minutes = 1640/hr winrate for April '11(First and only time I was able to play 2/5 this month).

I ARE PROZ.

But seriously folks, 25ish an hour over a large sample size is attainable and pretty damn good, I think. Just to repeat and emphasize, table selection is paramount. If you're playing with 9 other folks who are all extremely concerned about their winrate and EV on every move, you're going to have a tough time of things. Look for doe eyes, absurd amounts of concentration on ESPN/skanky cocktail waitresses and gun it out.

$40 is enough in my opinion. How much do you make?

Yup. Played 2 different 3-5s yesterday and the first I'd estimate my hourly at $40-45 / hr and the second MAYBE $15-20 / hr if im running well.

Oh my gawd. come on

-1

Your strategy advice is fine (if kinda obvious), but looking to play until you double your buyin is a bad idea. If you are serious about playing live you should only play as long as you feel the game is a good situation for you (+EV), and you should take any opportunity to switch to more +EV games. At the local casino where I play, the card room is relatively small and sometimes the 2/5 game dwindles to 4 regs and 1 fish. Taking into account the rake, and the quality of the regs, sometimes if the game sucks when I show up I will sit in the 1/2 until action in the 2/5 increases to where I feel I am more +ev there. I wouldn't suggest hopping between limits regularly though, everyone leaving is a good way to just kill the higher game and if you jump around it makes you look like a douche.

Playing live, just like online, you should focus on being in +EV games and making the right plays. You have a lot of time live to observe the other players. Anyone who has grinded online srsly knows that your winrate drops as you multitable. The reverse is true too obviously, so live your winrate (per 100) will likely increase a lot (especially because the players are often worse).

Trying to give an idea of a generic 2/5 game is impossible. The game quality will vary so much just over the course of a few hours that your theoretical winrate will change. Your expected winrate and EV, and actual winrate will also take an eternity to converge, so good luck figuring out what you're making.

I am lost. For online play a good winrate is 4bb/100 hands. To get to 100 hands live you would have to play about 3 hours. So in 2/5 you are gonna make $20 every 3 hours which is $7/hour. So how can $50/per hour or even $25/hour be attainable with this logic?

People are WAY worse live than online.

Several things factor into this. I am less concerned about establishing a win rate per hour per session as I am with focusing on doubling/tripling my buy in over the course of a single session. The reason for this is that if you focus on trying to make 30/hr you will play hands you shouldn't. I set a target goal for my self which is doubling/tripling my buy in whether that takes 1 hand or 300 hands or 1min or 10 hours. Once your able to show a profit divide that buy your hours spent playing to get a win/hr. If you buy in for $200 at a 1/2 table and leave after 6 hours with $500 you are showing a $300 profit. $300/6hrs = 50/hr over roughly 180 hands (30 hands per hour).

ask this guy:


http://www.pokerpages.com/player-pro...oe-simmons.htm

edit: borgata reg, pretty sure he's in the 75/hr ballpark at 2/5, and for some bizzarre reason doesnt move up, despite being plenty good enough and plenty rolled.

thanks for this - I realise I've been doing it all wrong and should have been calculating hourly rate over the course of a session.

I've been so focused on getting 30$ every hour that if I lose a big pot and am down in a particular hour, I've ended up playing crazy hands in the last 15 minutes to make up the difference.

It's also been a bit weird because a few times, I've won a big pot by ten or quarter past and I've ended up having to sit out the next 45 minutes and fold juicy starting hands because I've already made over my hourly rate


do you do coaching?

bout tree fiddy

Try 1 winning session before you get ahead of yourself and think about "winrate".

I'm going to be a self loathing live pro starting tomorrow at 2/5. Get ready for $350/hour.

Edit