The commentary during that hand is very telling as far as which of the commentators is in on the ruse.

The female commentator kept asking why he would fold so quickly while the male commentator did his best to ignore it, then tried sloppily to justify the fold. Kind of obvious that the guy commentator is allegedlyyyyyyy in on it.

Somebody please explain this hand:



Two people fold second-nut straights to a turn raise, no pair on the board, no possible flush. JFK is in the booth talking about what a great semi-bluff it was.

??????????????????

I think this entire game is fake. I've watched dozens of hours, something has always just seemed off.

The people don't seem like poker players.

Some of the players don't even seem like real people. Half of them are wearing clothes that it just doesn't seem like they would choose to wear naturally in life.

People often seem way too excited and it really seems like they're acting.

When people are disappointed about a suckout, the disappointment never seems real. It's always like a half-hearted "ohhh come on" or whatever.

With very very few exceptions, it never seems like anybody at the table is genuinely emotionally invested in the outcome of any hand. It's 1/3 and 5/5, there are deepstacked 5-figure pots flying back and forth, and nobody seems to give a ****.

The action plays like a play-money table on PokerStars in 2003.

I think this whole thing is a production being orchestrated by someone who just doesn't know anything whatsoever about poker (probably JFK). I think most of these people are prop players.

I know Stones has a contract with PT Gaming (a third-party provider of prop players). Based on their public filings they're only allowed to use those prop players in the pit, and in Pai Gow, but ... look at these games.

This is not a real poker game we're watching, this whole thing is fake.

And btw that hand wasn't a card-reader error... the runout is on-camera and is correct, and John John tables the 97cc before folding.

Either this whole thing is fake, or John John and Ryan G are in on the cheating and somehow knew that the spade would hit on the river, right? Does any other explanation make sense?

420bb goes in preflop, best hand is KQs. Mark open rips it in for 2.5 buy-ins with top pair no draw, two people with middle and bottom set shove. Mark catches runner-runner boat and wins a $7,000 1400bb pot.

Nobody at the table seems to give a ****.

Lol.

This isn't real.

It looks like Mike actually snap folds the turn and on the river he is just messing with the button. Graphics mess up on the turn as well. But if mike snap folds turn here thats probably the most crazy thing i ever saw and it looks like he does.

First hand of the stream starts at 2:40. At 5:45 Bryan raises all-in over his own $300 river bet.

Watch the hand play out. There is no possible action that makes this river play valid under the rules of NLHE.

Even if Bryan bet out-of-turn and then Mark checked, the $300 bet would stand, he wouldn't be allowed to raise over his own bet. And in that case, it wouldn't even be a raise, it would be a bet. But the dealer left the $300 in the middle, then says "raise, all-in."

What's the explanation here?? As far as I can tell there isn't any conceivable valid explanation that is consistent with the rules of NLHE, right??? And that would be totally obvious to the dealer and to everyone in the hand, right?

And yet, nobody says anything or thinks anything of it???

?????????????

This isn't real.

Are they just trying to orchestrate a big hand to open the stream with, and Mark accidentally checked river when he was instructed to bet $300? Then Bryan bet the $300 instead, and they're like oh **** we're supposed to go all in here, but Bryan can't call it off with AK? Bryan just say you're all-in!

Even if a mistake was made and somebody did something out of turn, I don't see any mistake that could result in Bryan's $300 staying out there and him raising all-in and getting called by Mark without Mark even putting a chip in the pot before the all-in. Am I missing something?

Cluracan, relax buddy the games are real. Thats why many players of the game spoke up against Mike. I read your 4 posts in Joeys thread and you keep saying its not real. They were playing for real money. Is it possible another player cheated in some way like Mike yes thats possible, but to say the game isnt real is just rediculous based on what players from the actual game have stated. If this was a fake production used for a stones promotion WE WOULD HAVE HEARD ABOUT THAT BY NOW. So come on bro.

I don't agree that we definitely would've heard about it by now. When lawyers get involved, often nobody is allowed to speak publicly, even in their own defense.

It definitely seems like some of the players are genuinely in it with their own money. I'm not saying it's 100% a production. But a lot of these players seem like props and some of these hands are clearly fabricated.

Another thing that's clear is that there's a lot of very questionable stuff happening whether Postle is in the game or not.

BTW action on the left of the screen in that hand changes after the all-in to say Mark bet the $300 when clearly we see Bryan push the $300 in. The action in this hand blatantly violates the rules of NLHE, the dealer has no problem with it, and not a single person at the table bats an eye.

Also 6:18, Bryan tables K4 (trip fours) and starts expressing disappointment at losing the hand before Mark has even tabled the second 9.

Mark tables a single 9, Bryan is disappointed? Why??

@Cluracan

https://youtu.be/PX5ccjVEapY?t=164

I agree. Nothing in this hand makes any sense.

Postle gets 77 and folds on the flop.
Russell folds 9h4d on the flop (even though there is already a 4 of diamonds on the flop)

Bryan has either King or Queen and a 4 of spades. (graphics wrong).
Mark maybe verbalized a re-raise, but didn't go all-in? And doesn't put any chips in.
Showdown: Bryan starts gesturing with his hand before Marks' second card turns over.

Mark tables 9d9s, even though there is already a 9spades on the turn?
I've adjusted the brightness/contrast so we can see the number of dots, you tell me what shape you think that suit is.
(look at just the furthest left card on screen... compared to the turn card)
So there are two 9 of spades? That's what it looks like to me.

*Edit I meant to write Mark tables 9clubs & 9spades.
Both cards are black suits, regardless of any brightness adjustment.

Wasn't a big Stones casino poker stream watcher before this story broke out, so don't know if these people playing on stream are real or not.
What I do know is, multiple well known people have played on the Stones live stream. Some well known people like Brandon Tuchman, one of the wsop announcers. Chris Moneymaker. bart Hanson.
Multiple well known YouTube poker vloggers. Even some people who have blogs on this forum have said they played there.

I guess if you're not from California, the play might seem strange. I'm not from Cali either.

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I'm actually with Cluracan in that I've thought there is no way these games can be real multiple times while watching, I don't know how to explain it either but something about it just doesn't make much sense to me. I can 100% see where you're coming from.

I had to turn off the bryn podcast after 45 mins of him talking about how amazing he is , hope cliffs come out in case something else ends up being discussed

15 min*

The player selection is weird, Veronica and friends invitational games were very keen to select action players who weren't nits, yet they were happy to have Mike Postle who won nearly every time in their game.

There are games when Stones staff are playing in Stones poker games, often Stones regulars playing, so who knows if there were any secret collusion going on.

Just trying to work out why no one rocked the boat about Postle earlier, and who benefitted from those corrupt games carrying on.

It is all very Truman Show!

The pre-flop action in that hand reminds me of something I'd see at my local casino. Especially the guy jamming the flop with top pair no kicker.

lol felt the same way - listened to a snippet shared by someone in another thread in a story about a guy losing his mind and decided to keep listening and couldn't make it more than 5 minutes

I just feel like he is trying really hard to convince people that he is such a smart great guy who never tilts and nothing bothers him. Can't blame him for talking about himself on the podcast but it kind of goes on and on. Seems like he is in a good place though after going through a lot of adversity in his career, hope he doesn't go broke

Originally Posted by JustSome1 View Post
https://youtu.be/H_cVJRsAktw?t=10949

WOW, i just found another amazing hand. Mike is getting SNAP CALLED on the river by J high for a 4k pot. Get rekt!!

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Great find. Ive seen alot of sessions but this one i havent. And that hand is sick. Look at what mike is holdinng in his left hand after he blows up and moves his chair. He grasping that phone in his crotch big time

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anyone remember which podcast and what time where jungleman talked about a 100k ante short deck game?

He did come off kinda meh. He seems like a good guy to his family which I thought was really nice.

I found it kinda crazy he said he put 1/2 his bankroll up for a mill buyin tourny. Meh I know it’s prolly a small field and he’s a top notch live mtt player however I feel the risk involved here is too much. I’m all for shot taking but this seems way too risky. I feel he can probably take shots like this though bc he can probably always find a backer or sell pieces and cheap markup.

Btw, ChicagoJoey.... I like these interview videos much more than your vids analyzing Postle situation. I’m all for informing the poker community but stick to interviews. The interviews are excellent.

Anyone know what JFK has on his phone at 12:35? The screen is dimmed, he's holding it really close to his chest. He seems to be pressing something with his left hand, but is acting like he isn't doing anything with his phone at all.

Well yeah, he states 3 minutes in that hes the best at what he does lol. He also states if you dont listen to him youre going to have a bad time. Clearly this man is riding a high.