Can't remember exact details, but didn't Tywin have Tyrion marry a whore (with Tyrion not knowing she was a whore) then have the entire kings guard **** her and pay her a silver per man?

I thought that was Jamie?

I'm not trying to say Tywin's a great guy, just trying to rack my memory for bad stuff he did. Seems plenty ruthless, but winning battles (using term very broadly) != deplorably evil.

seems pretty damn evil

lolshae, man she sucks

Jamie setup the scenario to have Tyrion feel like a hero. Tyrion was so duped he ended up "marrying" the whore.

Tywin was so embarassed and mad and wanted to teach Tyrion a lesson so he arranged the mass ****'ing.

Not to mention his marrying off of his children to lives of misery purely out of politics.

The actions he arranged at the Red Wedding are the equivalent of war crimes, if you wanna believe that wars have "rules" (this is debatable LDO) he violated them.

He's not pure evil in the sense Joffrey was, evil just for evil's sake. He's not a sadist, he doesn't do bad things because he enjoys them, he does them because he deems them necessary and practical. He's just ice cold and completely ruthless.

This is an old conversation from the last thread.

One of the things that makes GoT a great show is that the characters have depth and aren't cardboard cut out heroes and villains.

Almost everyone has their flaws, much like real life, but some people are far worse than others, much like real life.

No Jamie set him up with the whore, Jamie was the one person who was always nice to Tyrion and accepted him as family.

how do you all know the back story on tyrion's whore wife? they don't go into detail about it on the show

Rewatch season 1...

we're all bookreaders lol

the scene was linked 5 posts up

But why? Only one person so far has given a good reason. Not liking the way somebody looks isn't necessarily a good reason.

It just seems to me that people are attached more to the previous actor and can't get past the actor switch.

It's kind of like disliking every other Bond, except Connery, solely because it's not Connery.

Ah, ok. Thanks for the clarification, gents.

The new guy is just bad. Like his two scenes in the premiere were just brutal. the words he was saying and the way he was supposed to be acting (cocky, kinda indifferent) just felt so fake and forced. We were introduced to this badass killer guy who is a smooth talker, this guy just doesnt seem capable of pulling any of that off.

Yeah but that's not what's happening here. Had they recast the guy with the right look nobody would mind really.

The new guy's look, mannerisms, and tone of voice just does not fit the role.

It's a minor part, we're not super overly attached to the old guy who was just in a few episodes and scenes. We're not all just imagining that the new guy isn't good for the part.

OK, I yield. That's sufficient explanation for why New Dario doesn't beat Old Dario.

I don't mind new Dario so much, I just don't believe him as the same character. If they wanted to go with this new guy, they should have given him a new name and had him be a different character.

QOTW: Are those your parents? Open your eyes. I'm going to eat them.

No and ignore.

yeah, this is how I feel about him. I didn't even like the first one, but the second one is clearly a completely different character.

QOTW was "If you're a famous smuggler, you're doing it wrong" imo

Raaaaaamse3eeeeey. We need more raaaaaamseeyyyy.

QOTW: the world is overflowing with horrible things but they are all a tray of Cakes next to death

Ya smuggler line best for sure

Apart from arranging for the murder of the Starks?

Its a catch 22. You need to be savage in order to survive in the north but even savages can't survive the north in the winter and southerners aren't going to willingly let savages move in next door to ride out the winter so they have no choice but to be....savage.

My read is he had something to do with it. Him and LF have history together too

It's pretty standard to kill those people as Wildlings.

Every invading enemy through out history did the same thing.

STANDARD DAY TO DAY STUFF

I think there's a good chance he knew what was going on and almost a 0% chance he was involved in anyway. Varys would never put himself at risk like that.

I think Ramsey has catapulted himself to the top of the psychopath power ranking. Wonder what he does next. Not sure how he can top brainwash by torture and telling someone to run just so you can go hunt them down and have your dogs eat them.