she was like 21 when filming this

and her body didnt look 12 tonight

theres over 6 hours left for the last 4 eps, first two were by far the shortest (normal lengths unlike the rest)

they should be fine finishing the story in 4 movies time, and a lot of stuff that isnt battle imo. Wouldnt be surprised if the last hour of the show is an epilogue with twists and surprises

Exactly, it makes no sense for his character to make such a proclamation right before a battle where everybody needs to have their emotions in check. The writers are going to use this reveal to tie it in somehow to the battle but i just don't think it makes any sense whatsoever for a seasoned command general to release such info before a major war.

Jon isnt the smartest cookie, and he probably thinks its likely he/they will die and wanted her to know before he dies.

there was a lot of effort put into reminding the viewers how smart Tyrion is

Tyrion obviously going to take some part of Bran's story and come up with a solution.

I loved this episode.

Did any of the Eastwatch folk bother to tell Jon or Dany that a dragon has been resurrected and is being ridden by the Night King?

Bran clued them in last episode

My biggest issue with the Jon "dilemma" is that we have 8 seasons of evidence telling us he has 0 interest in sitting on the iron throne. It should be as simple as "look, I may have the right to the throne, but it's yours."

It can be salvaged if they're using this (and Sansa's lack of bending the knee to some extent) to turn Dany into the mad queen, but even then, it's still a missed opportunity, because if Jon tried to explain to her that he had no interest in the throne her paranoia driving her mad would be even more powerful. I still don't think they have the guts to do that to a character so many love, but we shall see.

I guess next episode we will have a scene where Dany gets a chance to save Jon, but hesitates. In the end she will save him, though.

Guesses who will die:

Tormund
Beric
Grey Worm (Death flag raised )
Davos?
Edd?
Pod?
Jorah or Lyanna Mormont

It seems unlikely anyone who has relevant connection to Cersei dies.


Other stuff: Arya scene was cringe mainly because of the random accusing questions she made to Gendry before. Apparently s8 is set 7 years after s1? Tormund tried his best, but Brienne is just dense (or rather, she has been shipped with Jaime by GRRM).

This show is the worse shower of **** ive ever seen, all you have to do is say sorry then hug and its all ok.

That episode felt like a send-off for nearly every character in winterfell. They all ded

Ice dragon's gonna see Dany and hesitate. She's gonna put her hand on its nose and whisper, "I know you're still in there." Then it's gonna eat the Ice King and impale itself on a tower.

The episode will end with a big twist where we find out the other dragons can talk.

The two armies will meet at Winterfell and the night king will come to fore and so will Bran they will stare at each other for a while then have a emotional hug. everyone goes home and lives happily ever after

The End.....

It felt way too much like pure fan service and interactions that made little sense. In particular the scene where all our favorite heroes just randomly wander into the same room in Winterfell to get warm, that is completely empty other than them.

Also, Sansa is still an idiot. I get that the North doesn't want to be ruled by anyone, but the time to push the issue is after you've won, not before. A true schemer would play nice, and then when all your enemies are defeated, make your move against Dany.

edit - one other thing that really bothered me, why would Sam give his family sword to Jorah. It's not like they have this close friendship, all Sam did was save him from Greyscale and then Jorah returned to Dany. Maybe have him give it to one of his oldest friends in Edd, who is a skilled fighter and commander of the Nights Watch.

sansa said last episode that the night king has one of the dragons

Right. It would have been consistent after Dany said "that means you are the last male heir and have the right to the throne" for him to say "I don't want the throne" like he has every single time being a king came up. Dany then preemptively turning on him would be a interesting story

This didn't really bother me. The old commander gave his Valyrean steel sword to Jon, so Sam felt they deserved to get a valyrean sword back.

I completely agree with this, but the White Walkers have been a part of the episode since E1. I also think the point of the show still having 4 hours left after the big battle is that it will return to its roots before its finished.

This was obviously done for drama and the writers decided not to care about character motivation. We know the conflict is out in the open, but we don't know what the characters are feeling/want to do about it. We'll probably see the conflict rise up before the battle is over, too.

Yup, I'm going to guess Tyrion will show up with Bran during the battle, and will do something that is a major turning point in the battle.

I think the Jon character would be willing to give the throne to Dany, but only if Dany shows intent to give up the throne peacefully to Jon first.

I think some conflicts will flare up again after the battle is over. If not I agree. I do agree that it's quite lame that some will die and the whole arc will have ended with "lol srry we got bigger problems now".

Jon seemed a bit alarmed when he heard about what she did to the Tarlys, both what she did and that she didn't tell him. He might be a bit hesitant on abdicating his iron throne rights.

Ep was OK. Surprised so little has happened after two eps.

Jon and Dany have always had iron-plated plot armor. Characters like Ned and Robb dying was misdirection about who the main characters are supposed to be.

Body double, I think? They filmed it like it was a body double.

Yeah. It wasn't just "his" either, it was House Mormont's family sword.

That is a fair explanation, but the show should have used that. Just have Sam say, your father gave your family sword to Jon in his time of need, and now I'm giving you mine in your time of need. Instead they just have him give it with no explanation, other than it was too heavy for Sam to wield.

I thought this episode was bad. Felt like fanfic.

And I know a lot of people love the Brienne character but I don't get it. I think she's mostly cringe inducing. I'm not sure if it's the writing or the actress, but she seems terrible. If they end up having her and Jaime hook up that might be the last straw for me.

Also lol at the long awaited reunion between Jaime and Bran. "Sorry I pushed you out the window". "No biggie".

True that is part of my problem with the show now. Rather than show him doing or saying anything smart, they just have Dany give a speech about how smart he is.

It also seemed odd that she decided he was so smart she needed him safe with the women and children rather than near the battle. If he's so smart, perhaps you'd like his advice during the battle. Especially as we've seen him do well before in planning a defense against long odds in King's Landing. Just have him with you/the other commanders, but not where the fighting is, so that he can give real time advice.

Most of Jon's history is being the reluctant leader, but most of that was due to being a bastard. I think him finding out he's the direct heir probably changes things. Ned basically kicked off the war and died by refusing to accept anything other than Stannis = rightful king. Given Jon now sees him in a new light, would seem a little strange to just pass it all up. Guess it depends whether he'll go the usual Stark thought process and value honour over the slightest bit of awareness of consequences or not. Thought they'd at least mention it makes them aunt/nephew but guess that'll come later.