Lol, yeah I still have some videos on there.

They banned online poker deposits and transfers on full tilt and pokerstars in washington state

To be honest it was a fairly trivial amount, and I told him my sister would figure something out as per payment.

It's not like I've escrowed tens of thousands of dollars or made multi thousand dollar transactions through 2p2 or anything in the past.

I just received a PM from Fonkey explaining this situation. I understand where he is coming from as I also live in the U.S. and I'm not worried about the money either. I believe him, and I'm understanding of his situation. I'm considering this matter done and in the past. Thank you for explaining.

Nah, it's okay. I've deleted vmware (windows partition) on my mac, and only have full tilt and stars as poker clients.

I backed Duncelanas for MTTs and SNGs with a partner. We agreed on a deal in which we provided coaching and backing for STT SNGs an some MTTs. The deal was 50/50 with MU and we agreed upon specific games/buyins that were/weren't acceptable.

Almost immediately after receiving the first instalment from us he played Hyperturbo satellites to HS MTTs (hyperturbos & satellites were both not allowed under our agreement and they were higher limits than we agreed to back him for).

Having lost money playing these games, he claimed that his computer broke and was in the shop awaiting repair but in that time played additional unauthorised games (and he continued to do this throughout the stake). He also played HUSNGs and increased his buyins without permission. Our agreement explicitly stated that he was not to play unathorised games without prior record.

To his credit, he won an MTT whilst both I and my partner were online, and he sent us our 50 % + makeup immediately afterwards. Also, after we discovered that he was breaching the agreement we had reached, he agreed to repay the money he had lost on games that were not authorised by the agreement, which he did 3 days later, (although he was unapologetic and attempted to negotiate the amount he owed down from what was already a very reasonable figure, calculated as 50 % of profit + the losses incurred playing unauthorised games).

Essentially, from day one, he showed no respect for our time, capital or coaching efforts, nor the spirit of our agreement.

It's not the money I was worried about. It was the fact you had someone spend their time creating a logo for you and you didn't pay. You basically ignored me after you got the logo you wanted.

Your excuse started as "I don't have money on stars" and changed to "I live in WA and can't transfer funds on PS or FTP". You ignored me for around 3 months. You shouldn't have asked someone to do work for you if you had no way to pay them. The only way I got you to respond was by posting in this thread.

Like I said, I'm not worried about the trivial $30, but I don't think you should be able to use the marketplace with behavior like this.

I feel it's relevant to address this given that I am again seeking backing. First off I would like to confirm that this post has some merit to it in that it's essentially true, but I'll leave this post to clarify some of the issues and respond to some as well.

With regard to the first paragraph, this is 100% true. That being said I took money out of my own roll (on FTP as the stake started on Stars at the time) and refilled all the stake money I lost. It's also relevant to mention that my laptop did break (right around christmas, I have records of this), and the volume of games I played over this period was very low not to mention the fact that I believed the stake to be postponed while my laptop was being repaired. This is probably my fault and something I should have clarified with the backers as opposed to presuming this myself.

Once I got my laptop back, I shipped a mtt while back and shipped them promptly. Playing husngs off stake after shipping that tournament is the one thing in the agreement that I truly regret doing; Sean/Ozz (the 2 partners) gave me an excellent opportunity which I butchered by being selfish and stupid. With regard to increasing levels, it's true that I moved up but it's also true that the backers were aware of this move before I had played a single game at the higher stake. In this argument I feel both our sides have a legitimate point to make.

After my breach was discovered and my contract terminated, I paid back what I owed promptly (three days, as stated). The disagreements with regards to the amounts I owed were due to the records I had conflicting with the amount they said I owed. After further discussion I agreed to pay them the sum they originally asked for and that was the end of it. I admittedly made mistakes in this agreement which I hope I've learned and can continue to learn from. I hope I've addressed everything here sufficiently; I'll make Ozz aware of my response but for the most part I think I've covered my side of things and so any further clarification can be pmed to me.

-Dunce

Scammed by Jake Shannon

ps- th3gr1ndt1m3
full tilt- jakesh083


Had a verbal staking agreement ,50/50 split on any profits. He made a couple hundred dollars , So I decided to write up a contract. He agreed to the terms of the contract. Length time was 3 months, he quit after 3 days. I decided not to be a dick about it , so I told him to send me back my stake plus 60% of the profits. (60/40) Was agreed upon in the contract. He then refuses to send me 60%. I don't want him to run off with my money so I agree to 50/50 split. His BR was at $600 last time I checked. Original stake was $161 , so $161 + 50% would be a total of $439 sent to me. He told me he was gonna send it, but only sent the original stake and said he doesn't owe me anything cause his lawyer friend said so(lol) He refuses to send screenshots of the cashier and transaction page as well. I believe he is trying to move the stolen funds through the P2P Transfer thread.

If anything else is needed , feel free to let me know..

wasn't trying to move any funds, FWIW, and I have no clue why he is assuming this considering I did not post anything in the thread at all? So you are making obvious lies. Also, I never even heard his voice or talked to him, so I don't know where this verbal agreement is coming from.

He sent me money to test me out and grind with. He sent me like 20 bucks and said 50/50 for that 20. Then I busted that. The next day he sent me 44 with no agreement, and I bsuted that. Then another 44 with no agreement on any profit split, and I ended up winning money.

We ended up signing a stake and he never sent me A PENNY AFTER THE STAKE. I told him today i wanted to end it and he wanted his full money he sent me originally plus my profits. I told him i only was going to send the 161, what he sent me, and no profits bc he did not make it clear that he wanted half the profits after the inital 20 that i lost.

So i sent him 161 and he did this and ruined my god damn reputation. I honestly thought the other money after the 20 was just him being nice bc the first 20 was on the first day. the rest was on later days and I thought that we were friends and he was just helping me out. Then he told me he wants my profits. So some may say that I should have 'known and expected' him to want a profit split, but I honestly didn't think he wanted that. And he never said anything about it until I ended the stake. Technically, I didn't even have to pay him back for the money after the 20 but i did anyways to be fair.

say what you want but he did not make it clear he expected profit splits after the first day and first 20. So that's ridiculous taht he's going to say i stoole it WHEN I WON IT REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE EXPECTED. HE DIDNT MAKE IT CLEAR TO ME.

also, he never sent me any money after the agreed upon, signed stake was made so that stake never started and was never valid. the money that he had me playing on after the formal stake was MY PROFITS... HE DIDNT SEND ANYTHING ELSE.

I honestly believe that I am right here. It may not be the nicest thing and not fair, but it's the truth. Legally, I am right, I beleive as well. He did not make it clear to me that he wanted money for the initla funds sent. I sent him back every cent that he sent me. He didn't send a penny after the stake was agreed upon. I wasn't expecting him to take all my profits AT ALL. I thought we were friends and I told him I needed to back out BECAUES OF PERSONAL REASONS that I could not avoid. He agreed and THEN ONCE I MENTIONED THE ENDING OF THE STAKE, WANTED TO HAVE MY PROFITS. I think this is ridiculous because he didn't mention a word about this until this period of time.

[7:54:40 PM] Michael: then ship me 50%
[7:54:59 PM] Michael: plus the $161
[7:55:03 PM] Michael: $161 was teh stake
[7:55:08 PM] Michael: plus 50%
[7:56:36 PM] Michael: u rly gonna try and play me after I helped u bruh?

[7:56:43 PM] Jakesh083: no im not
[7:56:50 PM] Jakesh083: im calculating it
[7:57:00 PM] Jakesh083: i hve to end the stake man

[7:57:01 PM] Michael: send me a ss of the cashier and transaction page to make
sure
[7:57:38 PM] Michael: should be easy to0 calculate
[7:57:47 PM] Michael: 161 + 50% of whatever is left over

[7:57:54 PM] Jakesh083: yah im taking the pics
[7:57:58 PM] Jakesh083: its 344.02

[7:59:17 PM] Michael: ship please

If I am lying why did you say my split was $344.02??

I have been around staking for many years so I want to give an outsiders opinion -- FWIW Gr1ndT1m3, if you thought he was sending you free money, you should have specifically clarified it with him after he orginally sent you money for a stake.

Prolly best if you clear it all up by sending him appropriate profit split. It is only fair to be honest.

I calculatd it wrong. It's simple. My internet froze and kicked off, like I told him.


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no clue where he is getting i owe him all that money when i had only 361 in my account. I'm done with this though. I don't care anymore. It's bull**** but whatever. Accuse me of wrong doing all you want but you were theo ne who didn't make it clear to me and only wanted to make me give my profits after words when I said i had to end the staek

BR was at $720 2 days ago. Now your telling me u lost enough to get the roll down to $361? But you also won $200 today ? They were only $4 buyins.

Do the right thing and take care of this Gr1ndT1m3. It isnt right to keep the money. Best of Luck both of you

So. He sent you 20$, and said I'm staking you 50/50. Then sent you more, and you thought he was just being nice?

I don't re-affirm my agreement with my stakees every time I send them a fill. Logic kind of takes precedent at some point.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt since an angleshot over a hundred something bucks would be really ******ed, but I definitely think you owe him his piece of the profits. I realize that you think by some sort of technical law you think you are in the clear here, but trying to get technically shady with people in the poker world is going to develop you a bad reputation real fast.

Can we we just sticky the bolded? Such a common theme.

Basically ZBT summed it up, but I'm going to reconfirm it. You are either pleading ignorance to be the reason why you don't owe your backer money, or you are pleading angleshooting is ok when something isn't specified by "law" and common sense would dictate.

Reach some kind of agreement moving forward to salvage at least part of your reputation, imo.

Gr1ndT1m3

The last 3 posters, all with a fair amount of staking experience, have shown that you misread what was expected of you when being staked.

Please settle what is owed.


Rainbow Warrior

+1

agree with zbt/azn etc.

2p2: NickBeigler (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/269172/)
Stars: nickbeigler

The stake started on Feb 26th and Nick hasn't updated his rail since then. Except for a brief e-mail on March 1st, I haven't heard from Nick at all. Although it does appear that he has logged on 2p2 on March 5th.

I talked to some friends and revaluated the situation and they all told me that i was wrong straight up. I am going to pay him as soon as possible. I honestly believed that I was right but after further dicussion with friends and poker peers, I have came to the conclusion that I was in the wrong and it was MY misunderstanding. Will pay J2bdifferent ASAP.

Good for you. Love to see people thinking about situation and reevaluating. Happens so few times on here.

Best of Luck

Yeh I msged him on skype and told him. I'm going to give him his money asap. I just misintrepreted the situation and I apologize

+1 props for swallowing your pride and doing the right thing.

Nice to see.