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03-22-2008 , 12:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sykes
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $11.60
BTN: $24.65
SB: $30.15
Hero (BB): $36.15
UTG: $26.05
MP: $17.55

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 9 A
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.60) 8 4 Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($0.60) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

River: ($1.10) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75


Same villain. I wanted to c/r river to $2.5-3 for value but then I found out that I have no balls.
just bet the river, everything else is good

@sence- we dont wanna raise this for 2 reasons:

1) villain is insanely loose and passive, so he can have a better A here (although obv we are far ahead of his range so this is definitely the lesser of the 2 reasons) and a significant % of the big pots we play (we have to felt top pair and play a big pot w/ 2nd pair prob.) we will lose

2) We will be OOP and he is the type that prob isnt folding a lot of flops, and he won't have much of a stack left after a decent PF raise and a c-bet, at least w/ AK we can just bet/call the flop or bet flop shove turn knowing we have pot odds w/ 6+outs.
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03-22-2008 , 02:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sykes

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with K 4
Just fold the river trying to bluff unknowns at .10/25 just doesn't work tons of guys will call with all spades there because flush=nuts.


Quote:
Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n
Dealt to Hero QQ
Against villain it could be okay, but I would rarely fold here because most people shove JJ and AK there.


Quote:
Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n
Main villain is 25/20/1.2 over 400 hands. Hero's image in this table is solid.

Dealt to Hero KA
Call probably and check see depending on turn. Check fold heart turns get it in on ace and kings turns blank turns are a lot closer and I probably c/f a lot of them depending on sizing/timing.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sykes
Pre Flop: Hero is MP with K K
Sure three bet flop is fine as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sykes
Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 9 A
Just bet fold river. You are value raising worse too often for it to be good.


Quote:
Originally Posted by dipstikdave
Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A K
Quote:
Originally Posted by futuredoc85
nooooooooooooo c/f

or else make me a list of a) worse hands that he'll call with and then b) better hands he will fold, and if it's longer than 0 maybe you can push

Last edited by Pudge714; 03-22-2008 at 02:53 AM. Reason: Multiquote pwns this thread imo
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03-22-2008 , 03:51 AM
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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MP: $25.50
CO: $42.75
Hero (BTN): $24.90
SB: $35.75
BB: $22.30
UTG: $48.80

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with A K
2 folds, CO raises to $1, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, CO calls $3.50

Flop: ($9.35) J A 3 (2 players)
CO bets $3, Hero raises to $11, CO calls $8

Turn: ($31.35) T (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $9.40 all in, CO calls $9.40

River: ($50.15) T (2 players - 1 is all in)


I missed out on 10c
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03-22-2008 , 03:52 AM
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $25.15
BTN: $24.85
Hero (SB): $48.00
BB: $37.50
UTG: $22.30
MP: $54.15

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with J J
1 fold, MP raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB calls $3.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($8.75) K A 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

Turn: ($15.75) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($15.75) K (2 players)
Hero bets $10


Why do I do plays like this? This is just terrible and the only hand I can get him off is QQ. I'd never play AK/KK/AA this way..
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03-22-2008 , 04:31 AM
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $26.00
SB: $122.85
Hero (BB): $52.35
UTG: $23.30
MP: $26.15
CO: $24.55

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 5 2
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.75) 3 A 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, MP folds, SB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB raises to $5, Hero raises to $14, SB calls $9

River: ($29.75) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $10


GOD DAMN IT CAN I GET IT IN 1 ****ING TIME AGAISNT FISH FOR STACKS?
Yes, my turn raise should prob have been bigger but w/e, i really thought minraising would have been hot too
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03-22-2008 , 05:19 AM
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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MP: $52.25
CO: $121.45
Hero (BTN): $34.60
SB: $19.00
BB: $41.75
UTG: $24.30

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with K T
2 folds, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, CO calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.35) Q K 9 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $1.45, CO calls $1.45

Turn: ($5.25) J (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($5.25) A (2 players)
CO bets $1, Hero raises to $6, CO calls $5


why am i so bad at this game, i have a read that he'll overbet the pot with the nuts or close to it no matter the size of the pot, yet i do this
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03-22-2008 , 05:46 AM
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BTN: $22.55
SB: $109.50
Hero (BB): $39.55
UTG: $15.20
CO: $21.45

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with T Q
1 fold, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.75) A 2 Q (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50, SB folds

Turn: ($1.75) A (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($1.75) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50


yay another hand i played horrendously
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03-22-2008 , 05:50 AM
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $22.20
BTN: $105.40
Hero (SB): $43.55
BB: $4.45
UTG: $17.65
MP: $19.05

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with T T
1 fold, MP raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.65, 1 fold, MP calls $2.90

Flop: ($9.55) Q 4 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($13.55) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($13.55) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks


I really have no idea what I'm doing, I probably should have cbet this..
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03-22-2008 , 06:17 AM
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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MP: $25.00
CO: $92.65
Hero (BTN): $41.45
SB: $3.55
BB: $22.40
UTG: $43.10

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with K A
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.10) Q 2 6 (2 players)
UTG bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($6.10) T (2 players)
UTG bets $1.25, Hero raises to $6, UTG calls $4.75

River: ($18.10) J (2 players)
UTG bets $2.25, Hero raises to $21, UTG folds


Too much?
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03-22-2008 , 09:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sykes
Too much?
I think that we should make some rules on how to discuss on this thread. Not that I'm an example of a good poster here but I cant see how making 7 puzzle quizs in a row could possibly help the former STTfers to make progress as ring players.
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03-22-2008 , 02:46 PM
I'd generally rather beat a hand to death than get a whole series of hands like that, unless they are all against the same player in the same session.

I don't really think any of those hands are necessarily terrible. It all depends on villains and images.

The JJ hand, turning a made hand into a bluff, is not very likely to work. You're only trying to fold an Ace and I don't think you're putting on enough pressure to do it.

Now that I read your "too much" I think you meant did you bet too much, rather than post too many hands. I think the bet is fine, but yeah, maybe a little too much.
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03-22-2008 , 05:18 PM
The TT,AK,QTs hand is all against the same guy.

The JJ hand is against a decent player, maybe a 2+2. Haven't really seen him get out of line.

The KT, 52, AK hand were all against the main fish.
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03-22-2008 , 05:27 PM
BTW, I think it's good to post multiple hands rather than post 1 and beat it to death. Plus, I don't think in my 7 hands there is the same way to answer all 7. They're all different (except being terribly played by me). I'll go through my thought process later with more responses.
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03-24-2008 , 01:00 PM
Yo homies, so I moved to the home of huge variance, which is called Party Poker.
First hand(still have to play without stats):
I have been at the tables for like 10 hands, raised like 6-7 of them, so my image is pretty aggro.
Villains seem to be standard fishes, if they like a hand, they just limp and call a raise.
I figured he as TP, Pair + FD type of hands enough to make this play..
Also my flopplay seems kinda strange, but I don't know how to play it elsewise.
Make a larger raise and commit me?

Party Poker $50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (BTN): $52.46
SB: $75.72
BB: $57.44
UTG: $37.21
MP: $58.98
CO: $25.83

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with T T
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $3, MP calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($11.75) 9 3 2 (3 players)
UTG bets $2.08, MP folds, Hero raises to $7, UTG raises to $11.92, Hero raises to $48.96 all in, UTG calls $21.79 all in

So we move on to hand 2.
Turnbet seems standard since a huge percentage of his range is a draw.
He instachecked river, still the blockbet/fold is pretty bad, right?
Seems like huge spew in retrospective because there are really few hands calling if any.

Party Poker $50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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SB: $79.14
BB: $89.79
Hero (UTG): $50.00
MP: $23.00
CO: $12.69
BTN: $49.00

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with A 8
Hero raises to $1.75, 4 folds, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.75) 3 A 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $3

Turn: ($9.75) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7, BB calls $7

River: ($23.75) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $11, BB raises to $22, Hero folds


Thanks for any thoughts.
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03-24-2008 , 05:28 PM
sence, hand 1 i bet 12ish on the flop otherwise ok. #2 i fold pf, after cbet i'd check it down.
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03-24-2008 , 05:53 PM
villain is 12/10/1.5 after ~ 120 hands. 1st hand with him today.


Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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MP: $115.50
CO: $123.25
BTN: $160.40
SB: $100.50
Hero (BB): $100.00
UTG: $146.35

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with T 9
UTG raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($12.50) 9 8 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG folds, CO raises to $35, Hero ?
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03-26-2008 , 05:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dipstikdave
villain is 12/10/1.5 after ~ 120 hands. 1st hand with him today.


Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $115.50
CO: $123.25
BTN: $160.40
SB: $100.50
Hero (BB): $100.00
UTG: $146.35

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with T 9
UTG raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($12.50) 9 8 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG folds, CO raises to $35, Hero ?
looks like JJ-66 make up the biggest part of his range, with some draws mixed in as well. probably not a good spot to get it in, but that is what i did at the time cuz i thought he was the pfr and he might lay down a bigger pair here some of the time.
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03-26-2008 , 06:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dipstikdave
looks like JJ-66 make up the biggest part of his range, with some draws mixed in as well. probably not a good spot to get it in, but that is what i did at the time cuz i thought he was the pfr and he might lay down a bigger pair here some of the time.
Hmm, you really thought that?
This is not a dry board at all so I'd probably stick to any overpair getting those odds(after the suspected PFA raised you obv) since a huge amount of your range is draws..
Can you explain why donking here > checkraising?
Does UTG check this flop too often?
Also I think against a villain with those stats you'll see a set too often to get it in here.
He's probably not holding SCs a lot.
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03-26-2008 , 07:26 PM
T9s hand,

his range crushes your equity, you maybe have two good outs and you're behind here already most of the time.
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03-27-2008 , 12:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GtrHtr
T9s hand,

his range crushes your equity, you maybe have two good outs and you're behind here already most of the time.
Dave is almost in good enough shape to have pot odds to call vs his range, but you're right, who knows what cards you really want to see here?

Here's a possible range for villain:

Board: 9h 7h 8d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.280% 35.66% 02.62% 27892 2046.50 { Tc9c }
Hand 1: 61.720% 59.10% 02.62% 46225 2046.50 { 66+, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, KhQh, QhJh, JTs, 97s+, 87s, JTo, 97o+, 87o }

When you start to think about Dave's equity, folding while getting > 2-1 seems bad, & calling makes the hand very difficult to play with most turn cards. How about a shove here?
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03-27-2008 , 12:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cha59
Dave is almost in good enough shape to have pot odds to call vs his range, but you're right, who knows what cards you really want to see here?

Here's a possible range for villain:

Board: 9h 7h 8d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.280% 35.66% 02.62% 27892 2046.50 { Tc9c }
Hand 1: 61.720% 59.10% 02.62% 46225 2046.50 { 66+, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, KhQh, QhJh, JTs, 97s+, 87s, JTo, 97o+, 87o }

When you start to think about Dave's equity, folding while getting > 2-1 seems bad, & calling makes the hand very difficult to play with most turn cards. How about a shove here?

I'm glad you ran the stove on my "educated" instinct, and thus there is no way I'd continue in the hand let alone shove. 25/10's and most 100nl types are gonna call with 50%+ equity here in almost every case where we are behind on the flop and a call of our shove becomes profitable to them with that range.
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03-27-2008 , 01:01 AM
I should add, that my current mindset at 100nl/200nl where we are in a marginal equity situation - we are just hurting our winrate short of a very very good read.
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03-27-2008 , 01:25 AM
You're really hoping to see AA, KK, or QQ if he calls and that's about it, and he's not going to have any of those hands. Anything else and you're hand is practically garbage vs the range of hands he has.
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03-27-2008 , 09:42 AM
Yeah I agree with you guys, I think it is a fold. Also I don't really think he has 66 there very often when he raises the flop, so that lowers our equity to ~35% or so.
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03-27-2008 , 03:22 PM
Villain is s standard TAG, the one yet to act is a LAG. No other reads, have fun.

Effective stack 130xBBs abd the TAG, 70BBs vs the LAG. NL100.

UTG folds
UTG+1 raises $4 (TAG)
CO folds
Button folds
Hero calls $3.50 (7 7)
BB calls $3 (LAG)

Flop 7 T 6($12)
Hero checks
BB checks

UTG+1 bets $9
Hero raises $130 all-in

I did this in order to make it look like I'm on a draw. Good plan? Villain could call with wide range since my bets screams non-made-hand or TP..?
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