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03-11-2008 , 01:56 PM
Can't edit anymore but played two more interesting hands:

I supposed he'd fold enough(like a weak Q) to make this profitable, since his betsize looks so weak.
Cool or fool?

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $83.60
SB: $30.20
Hero (BB): $81.80
UTG: $83.95
MP: $21.20
CO: $50.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 7 J
4 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.75, SB calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.50) 5 5 Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3

Turn: ($9.50) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($9.50) K (2 players)
SB bets $3.50, Hero raises to $12

Next hand, probably very standard and I have to be calling a push - but it felt weird, like if he pushes I'm almost certainly beat.

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SB: $75.35
Hero (BB): $85.25
CO: $45.25
BTN: $20.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with T T
CO raises to $2.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $7, CO calls $4.75

Flop: ($14.25) 3 7 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $11

Tell me when I'm posting too many of those but I'm pretty motivated these days and it starts to get funny.

Last edited by sence25; 03-11-2008 at 02:05 PM.
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03-11-2008 , 02:38 PM
J7o: You wouldn't raise a K on this river would you? Ie, I don't really like it.

TT: If you are surely beat when he pushes, why do you have to call? Reads are good here.
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03-11-2008 , 02:43 PM
sence, some reads/stats would be helpful.

Hand 1: I don't really like the raise pf. Probably meh but j7o isn't that strong and guys that limp pf here will usually let you steal the pot on the flop when they miss. If you do raise pf I think you have to double barrel the turn.

Hand 2: Bet/call looks fine. He can show up with all kinds of crap you beat, flush draw, lower pocket pair, 87, overcards, etc.
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03-11-2008 , 06:34 PM
Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BB: $161.25
UTG: $375.00
MP: $105.70
CO: $96.10
Hero (BTN): $245.90
SB: $86.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with 8 9
UTG raises to $4, MP calls $4, CO calls $4, Hero calls $4, 1 fold, BB calls $3

Flop: ($20.50) 9 K 5 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $20, MP folds, CO calls $20, Hero calls $20, BB folds

Turn: ($80.50) 2 (3 players)
UTG bets $51, CO folds, Hero folds


villain is 27/13 and doesn't cbet that much
he got his stack by hitting a flush multiway and some hand with a set
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03-11-2008 , 06:41 PM
I like the flop call because you're so deep. I'd call again on the turn getting 2.6:1 with 3x behind.
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03-11-2008 , 08:20 PM
I'd 3bet preflop. I'd raise the flop, I don't want better flush draws coming a long.
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03-12-2008 , 06:34 PM
Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (SB): $99.85
BB: $101.50
UTG: $100.00
MP: $180.85
CO: $69.00
BTN: $95.80

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with J J
4 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($24) 5 K 8
hero?



villain is ~25/18/6 for 100 hands with a 3bet% of 9%. i've been stealing a lot, but not too much from the sb.
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03-12-2008 , 08:14 PM
Dave,

It looks like vs this particular opp and your history, 4bet pf and get it in if possible.
As played, c/r all in for me looks like.
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03-12-2008 , 08:21 PM
Yea, I 4bet here all day.

As played, c/c and re-evaluate turn.
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03-12-2008 , 08:53 PM
Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (MP): $258.30
CO: $200.00
BTN: $267.65
SB: $82.85
BB: $370.70
UTG: $498.45

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with 5 5
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, CO raises to $20, BTN calls $20, 2 folds, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($63.00) 4 2 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $40, BTN calls $40, Hero...?


CO is 29/25/2 and has been 3-betting me light. If this was heads up I would have no trouble jamming but I'm not sure what to do with the cold caller on the BTN still in the hand. BTN is 44/0/1 but a small sample. He calls a lot of small raises with marginal hands but I haven't seen him call a big push yet.
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03-12-2008 , 09:03 PM
ugh, tough spot. I don't think BTN is the type that can fold an over pair very often, so I probably just take the nice immediate price to draw. But, I don't think shoving is bad either with your description of both villains, and the fact that pushing out a spade draw is good for you.
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03-12-2008 , 09:09 PM
Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Hero (BB): $373.30
UTG: $360.70
CO: $68.20
BTN: $424.70
SB: $496.45

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with K K
2 folds, BTN raises to $6, SB raises to $28, Hero raises to $75

Just confirming I have to make this raise pretty much 100% of the time?

BTN has been raising from LP a ton and the SB has been tight and solid but he's clearly a good player and capable of playing back at the aggessive button light.

Effective stacks are deep and I don't want to give good implied odds but it seems like such a waste to raise and give my hand away. IDK maybe calling shows just as much strength as raising anyway?
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03-12-2008 , 09:14 PM
Yea, with those stacks you need to 4-bet here. And I'd make it like $100.
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03-12-2008 , 09:20 PM
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And I'd make it like $100.
Can you explain why? My coach keeps picking on my 4-bet sizing (sometimes too small sometimes too big) and I'm struggling trying to get it right.
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03-12-2008 , 09:25 PM
It's close to pot and the off chance BTN calls and you'll be out of position.
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03-12-2008 , 09:27 PM
Also, because this is a spot where you hate having to 4-bet AA or KK because it looks so strong, it's a good spot to every once and while do this with air.
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03-12-2008 , 09:32 PM
100bbs deep you can cold-call pre there, but this deep I agree w/ devin. Although if you do this w/ air against a tight-ish 3-bettor then it's good to have an A or a K in your hand as a blocker one of the 2 hands he can't fold.
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03-12-2008 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinLake
It's close to pot and the off chance BTN calls and you'll be out of position.
My first thought on this is with a hand like yours, you want a smaller stack to pot ratio when youre playing this hand oop so I'd make it over pot. I have trouble calculating that without my handy Full Tilt pot button, but I was thinking ~4X his raise, so ~110.

When you think about what the stack sizes & pot would be if you bet that amount, maybe its better to go to ~120 so you can get it in on the flop more reasonably.

I dont hate it if they both fold; and what Devin said, if you occasionally do this with some other hands besides AA & KK, you'll be balancing your range well, which should eventually pay off.
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03-12-2008 , 09:49 PM
4betting cold to $120 as a bluff would never pay off, so if you ever plan to bluff here you need to make this like $100 tops
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03-12-2008 , 10:03 PM
Does anyone else almost want to fold to a 5bet in the KK hand?
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03-13-2008 , 01:17 AM
I'll fold QQ Pudge but with KK never in this position. There is too much likelihood that button and SB are light.

If SB calls and flop is 89T with two suited and I haven't got a back door flush draw and he then shoves, I could find a fold for KK.
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03-13-2008 , 10:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pudge714
Does anyone else almost want to fold to a 5bet in the KK hand?
I would strongly consider it. KK this deep I wouldn't want to go aipf, his range would be so tight that it would come down to one or two hands and neither give us much equity.
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03-13-2008 , 11:43 AM
The KK obviously depends on the villain, but it also depends on the game. I've played about 50/50 between 100 bb buyin games and 200 bb buyin games and in the 200bb buyin games you'd pretty much never think about folding KK pre for 200bbs.
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03-13-2008 , 11:55 AM
but this isn't a 200bb game so I think the dynamic is diff. Also agree 100% about the villain.

Also, also, johnnybgood playing 1/2 ftw!!!! hopefully I'll be haunting you there soon.
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03-13-2008 , 12:18 PM
Wow good points about the 4bet sizing.

I would have thought just betting 75 in order to encourage calls. I wasn't taking into account the occasional 4bet bluff, making you not afraid to take down the pot in these situations.

I'd really like to know how you determine what size of a bet is profitable here?

Raise 100 with AA-KK
-win by opponent folding: say he 3-bets with top 8% (66+ AJ+), and you will make him fold everything but AA-KK, you'll win $65, 88% of the time = $5720

-win by opponent having AA-KK, you will win $905.75, 1.7% of the time = $1539.78

-lose by opponent having AA-KK, you will lose $905.75, 10.3% of the time = $9329.23 (assuming you dont fold KK vs the 5bet as suggested)

It seems like he has to be raising 10%, or calling with QQ, for it to add up here?

Raise 100 with bluff
-win by opponent folding: win $65, 88% of the time = $5720

-lose: $100, 12% of the time = $1200

WTF?! Im going to 4-bet bluff any day this spot comes up because it makes $45 each time! Someone please correct me before I take this strategy to the tables haha.
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