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Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t30/t60 Blinds - 8 players
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Juqxo (BB): t4537 M = 50.41
gilberto99 (UTG): t2660 M = 29.56
dif_e_yo (UTG+1): t4485 M = 49.83
Hero (MP1): t5290 M = 58.78
12-O'clocker (MP2): t2930 M = 32.56
thunderman1 (CO): t2910 M = 32.33
hmjomaa (BTN): t920 M = 10.22
SIAMYIDARMY (SB): t2635 M = 29.28

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is MP1 with T T
gilberto99 raises to t180, 1 fold, Hero calls t180, 1 fold, thunderman1 calls t180, 3 folds

Flop: (t630) 4 7 8 (3 players)
gilberto99 bets t60, Hero raises to t540, thunderman1 calls t540, gilberto99 calls t480

Turn: (t2250) K (3 players)
gilberto99 checks, Hero checks, thunderman1 bets t1020, gilberto99 calls t1020, Hero folds

Hand played perfectly, I don't even know if you have to put in that much of a raise to get the point across that you have a big hand. Player behind me cold calling either means donk calling on flush draw, another over-pair, or a set. The additional caller who should call with his possible big over pair is right to not re-raise at this point for pot control as they are also not sure where they are. The bet of 60 seems awfully weird and then just calling almost seems like they wanted a raise by one player and then to push over the top but another caller made them very nervous with an over-pair so they just called.

If you had both these players beat on the river I think this is a very rare occasion as you know and you made the right play here 99.5% of the time.

tough spot. i think you went wrong on the flop. i either make a massive overbet raise or a miniraise. or i call. as you kind of got the wrong pot size on the turn. but its easy in hindsight in the heat of the moment you raise size on flop is standard and cant be faulted.

The raise is fine, it defined his hand and let him know he was probably in serious trouble. Easy to get out that way. What are people folding to a min-raise? Giving them too good of odds to call with overs. Calling could be a viable option although it might give the player behind you a chance to bluff at the pot since the bet is so small.

not sure what a min raise accomplishes at all...I can see calling...an overbet seems silly...what would the reasoning possibly be?

I wouldn't continue 2nd guessing this hand by any means your bet size looks perfect. A call would be ok had he bet like 300-400 not 60 into you. 60 into a pot of 630 is either a hand that wants to get raised or not much at all.

miniraise doesnt really accomplish anything i agree. all it does is maybe give you more chance of a cheap turn card. and discourage guy still to act from raising. its basically the same as calling. my default here would be to call or make a big raise. theminiraise is rally just for confusion purposes.

there ms are only just over 30 and you flopped an ovepair in a 3 way pot. i want action from hands i beat as well as hands i dont and i want draws to make a mistake calling and make them have to shove rather than call. a big overbet achieves that. i usually take the view when Ms are around 30 you can go broke with an overpair in a raised pot where there are a lot of draws.

i mean you dont really have the odds to setmine pre flop. so what are you hoping for. the flop is about as good as it can ever get for you. so i want to play the hand fast. i dont want to put myself in an impossible spot on the turn which you did as the only good cards for you are a non diamond 2 or 3. were you planning to call a rr on flop?

He put himself in a great spot. He found out there is a good chance his hand is no good. What are the other two players calling with that he beats at this point except maybe 9's or AKs, AQs type of hands. You don't want too put so much money in the pot with a hand that is already behind.

WELL PLAYED

nice hand

betting for info is the most overrated concept in modern poker. it used to work when people played abc but now its pointless.

He bet a hand he thought was good and got two callers for a good size bet where one was the pre-flop raiser. If you are not willing to use that information to your advantage that just seems a little silly

yeah what does it mean though as neither call makes any sense at all as overpairs and sets should both be raising and any unpaired hand containing a K should be folding unless they have Kx diamonds so tbh villains play makes no rational sense as usual. so i dont understand what info you have gleaned from it. what hands do you put them on after the flop and turn action?

not betting for information...with that C bet sizing I am betting for value vs the OR and don't put the other dude on an overpair...

any information gained in an ancillary benefit

ok so why did you fold turn as K cant have helped them and action was weak check-check-bet-call

the hands I put these players on are 99+, possible set(for player that cold called only) or AJs+ (diamonds) Maybe a KJs+ (diamonds) I don't think both players have diamond draws and I think both their ranges combined vs our 10's is beating us at this point.

K could have hit them if they were betting/calling with two overs on diamond draw, AK, KQ, KJ and the other player if they are any decent has to have a set or 99+ at the absolute worst

I really think 99 is the only hand we can beat here.

well then you are playing in different games than me most people are ******s who will chase any draw

It's a possibility but I don't think I would fill like I was in a good enough spot here to find out. I think I can put myself in a lot of better spots.

If you're just going to fold the turn to an offsuit King I don't see the point of raising the flop. Like norwoodmatt said there aren't a lot of Kings in their ranges so if you were raising for value on the flop you should be getting it in on the turn since none of those draws on the flop hit anyone. Either just call the flop with a plan to fold to any big raises, trying to get to a cheap showdown, or make a much larger raise on the flop and get it in on any turn.

not sure I agree with this...opener can easily have a stubborn AK and other dude can be slowplaying...

flop action seems to indicate my 1010 is less strong than we thought...

It's like the drawiest flop ever. They're never folding any kind of straight or flush draw or combo draw. There's more of those in their ranges then a "stubborn AK". And no way UTG has JJ+ here or a set by his flop action. And tough to put thunderman on AK/QQ+ with his preflop action(maybe a set but he'd have to be the biggest fish ever to slowplay this flop). It's like you wanted to make a value bet on the flop then for some reason you leveled yourself into thinking AK got there on the turn and you're done.

Edit: Are you shoving the turn if the 2c comes? If not then your flop bet is just an information bet. If so then you think there's a bunch of K's in their range.

wp sir

I think it's fine. I mean, not a lot of Ks should be in their range for getting to the turn, but when one guy bets and another calls, it's really difficult to continue putting them both on hands we beat. I think we kinda have to re-eval the turn action and just sigh/fold.

What are you ranging them for the bet and call on the turn then? Both flush draws? One T9 and the other diamonds? Obv there aren't a ton of Ks in their range but it's not a complete brick, since there ARE Ks in their range, and it's much more likely to give us a 2nd best hand than a 2c is...