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Dude, you were the one that responded to my original post when I WASN'T talking about chipdumping, chill winston

I already said I'm sorry. It won't happen again.

sigh expected more when I saw BandiChime had posted.

You know what....I agree with the sentiment behind this, although the "biggest" might be a bit much.

Consdiering the type of person I have chosen to trust in this business, I really should not complain, and complaining in public is certainly bad form.

Never again.

On a related note, I just dropped my daughter off at school, and she told me:

"Peace out homedog".

sigh

mrs sheets going to get you

sheets is my favorite even if he won't deliver the goods

Does that mean sheets and bax back cash and sng players?

i'm pretty sure it means that someone that they backed for MTTs went to cash tables or HUSNGs and intentionally lost $ to their 2nd accounts

They allow certain players to play certain SNGs IIRC

This doesnt seem right to me because if they arent backed for cash then they really arent dumping sheets/bax money by losing money at cash games.
They are losing thier own money and still owe sheets the % of MTT winnings no matter how much they win or lose at cash.
This would be no different than if they just spent all the money and stiffed sheets. More like flat out stealing than chip dumping.

It seems like the chip dumping scenario for someone who is only backed for MTTs would have to take place in those tournaments for it to involve the money that sheets/bax backs them with.
And if thats the case then I think those players should be named because it affects alot of people here who play in those MTTs.

Pix

i mean, seems like you are arguing just for the sake of arguing

all of the money in their accounts is sheets/bax money, they did this stealing secretly over a long period of time with no intentions of counting it as their own $ or anything like that

stop being dumb

Stop being an arrogant douche. You dont know what % of the money in every horses account belongs to Bax/Sheets. If they win money they obviously get to keep a % of it so some of it is thier own money.

My point is that if they are only backed for MTTs and they lose money at cash games then Bax/Sheets arent responsible for it. And its not that hard to track how much people win and lose at MTTs so nobody is fooling anyone by dumping the winnings at cash games.
If you can follow this logic then just dont respond. Otherwise you are the one arguing for the sake of arguing.

The only real issue with any well-respected poster releasing a list like this in the public domain is that it would be taken as gospel. Not that I would ever think that Sheets or Bax would use this in a mischievous way. Giving any one person the power to ruin another's reputation and, by proxy, career, in a matter of keystrokes isnt good. Also, Shaun mentioned this earlier but people should stop asking because it is very likely the reds wouldnt allow such a list to exist.

you say "if they lose money at cash games" as if they are allowed to play cash games or as if sheets/bax aren't going to instantly drop them when they find out what has happened

also fwiw the cheater(s) in question were in makeup, so when they lost money at cash games and got caught and instantly dropped, sheets/bax lose $

also, horses are allowed to have $0 of their own money in staked accounts. if they win money, they are required to cash out their % so that the only money in their accounts is bax/sheets $. this is something I DO KNOW

also, i'm not arguing. i'm telling you that this is stealing and why.

you cant squeeze blood from a stone so i'd suggest doing something to get that money back REEEEEEEEEEEAAAL quick. driving out to someones folks house and telling them how irresponsible there sons been acting and how much you'd hate to act responsible as he usually is a good save and recover tactic and can also hold up good against extorion charges in court ;-)

Just post the list ffs.. If someone stole money from me, I would do everything I could to ruin their reputation and let everyone know how much of a lowlife loser they are. They don't deserve one ounce of respect, just tell us some names so we know who to slowroll when possible =]

Sheets, you are a nice trusting fellow, try being a prick for once and DO NOT LEND anyone money at any time...

too much pain on all sides........... but if you continue to enable losers....... well you will get what only they can give.......... SQUADOOSH

Seriously, do you have any idea what Sheets does?

I think he is actually closer to the truth than you might think.

No doubt most of sheets' horses are fine upstanding fellows (and the odd lady), but the truth is he does also enable a minority of "losers" to play and cheat this beautiful game of ours.

This isn't a problem. Sheets/Bax reputation is worth wayyyy more than the value of ruining someone else. They would not jeopardize this, nor would anyone who is well-respected, as they risk losing that respect. And obviously nobody should take anybody's word as gospel, they should just take it as the opinion of someone they respect. It's up to the listener to decide whether or not that information is credible. Remember when you grimstarred me in fantasy and then told people that the aim convos never happened and that I had simply made them up? Nobody took eithers side of the debate as gospel, they just absorbed all of the information and came to their own conclusion.

What are you talking about? Who does he enable to cheat?

Pretty sure he's referring to the Craig Gray thing