I know his game isn't standard by any means, but he was a winning player and was a friend that needed help getting back on his feet. He puts in mass volume and had been winning for a long period of time. I'm not saying he's good, but had he not decided to completely F me over and lose purposely, it most likely would have been a +ev investment. Some of you talk to me like I'm an idiot, but put yourself in my shoes.. like I said, not every scummy person is neccesarily a thief. Just because someone is homeless or is a rapist or murderer, doesn't mean they would steal from someone. Everyone is bad in different ways, I didn't see him doing this. Clearly I was wrong, but maybe you see where I'm coming from now.

zzz

I have his information, but what is that going to do? Snapping him in half is obviously extremely tempting, but I'd like to live my life outside of a prison. He's from Madras, Oregon.. rather not put out his address publicly.

Does anyone have any other suggestions as to what I can do to get paid? Destroying him and preventing him from ever being able to play again is nice and all but that doesn't put any money in my pocket.

You sound like and probably are a good guy...

I know you don't want to be told you were stupid to do what you did since its already over at this point... but come on.

For instance, you are so focused on this now... after the fact.

I sound like a dick so i'm gonna stop.

qfwhatareyoueventalkingaboutanymore

people here arent gonna understand this.

If he's a broke douchebag, I have no real idea of how you're going to get any money from him.

i'm pretty baffled that nobody has mentioned the fact that there's a photo of him in here naked iwth his balls blacked out with mspaint

I havent read through this yet, i will when I have time. I am Carter Gill, and would like to have you know that: I never scammed anyone. That is entirely false. Just because someone starts losing, that doesnt mean that he is losing on purpose. If you look through my opr i have had maybe 50 30+ no cash streaks. I think I have gone over 100 tourneys in a row without cashing when running/playing bad. Its not intentional. You can ask thechemist, i never did anything shady to him. Nor did I do it jkidd. I wnot even mention things about his character, but for him to call me out is just funny. He thought that months after he dropped me he should be entitled to part of my warm up win since i was 40k in make up. I find that funny.

(sfw again thx 2 zbt)

Edit:

Would having conversation logs with him admitting to having cashed the check and using it and knowing that he owes me the money and all that do anything in court? I'm sure I can't get anything for 4ok or so that he dumped, but maybe I could do something about the check.. I don't know much about the legal system. It's only like 6.5k, but it's the principle.

I can not believe what I am reading. You lump the homeless in with rapists and murderers but segregate thieves from them?

I can see where you are coming from, do you? You reap what you sow.

in which the accused addresses random things but ignores the relevant things

(the ftp ban + cashed check + chip dumping/intentional losing etc etc)

this

heh

Oh my, yes.

I told you the reason you were being dropped was because 1. what i heard about you dumping 2. sitting out constantly 3. playing things i told you repeatedly not to play. You even started under a new stake at the end.. you forced me to cut you and I wanted a buyout. You said you would think it over and I think I'm owed a buyout similar to your previous backers who had the saem exact problem with you. And also, what about the check you got? What do you have to say about that? I have AIM logs and facebook messages with you admitting to spending my money. You're complete scum and it's about time everyone knows about it (as if most didn't already know)

My fault for wording that terribly. What I'm trying to say is simply every bad person, for whatever reason that may be, doesn't necessarily mean they would steal from someone. Many homeless people are good people and would never steal something no matter how desperate. That's the point I was trying to get across..

This will be my one and only response to this thread. I don't really appreciate my name being tied into this by the OP without my explicit permission. I do my best to avoid this type of drama. We backed Carter for a long time (probably over a year). He was up overall for us. He started playing badly towards the end of our stake. We agreed on a set amount of money to cover the money lost in this period of time. We also mutually agreed to end the staking agreement with the understanding that he'd pay us back this set amount of money asap. He paid us after winning the Sunday Warmup.

I don't know if what the OP said is true or not. I've heard both sides on AIM, which is exactly what they both said in this thread. I don't know who is right and who is wrong and will not take sides in their matter.

Point is, if said person is a rapist, which this guy allegedly is, then that should probably be a red flag.

If everything you say is true, then he did straight up steal your money, in which case he should get this.



imo.

post some chat logs imo

Why must P5's drama queens pollute our water?

Here is one of his messages:

I dont have the money, nor am i going to have it. I got it along time ago, while i was still staked by you. Initally you said that it was the same as make up, so i just counted it as make up and took the money since my mortgage was due and i didnt have any money to pay it. It wasnt until you dropped me that you changed and said it was different then make up... and by that point i had already spent it. I didnt tell you because i figured id make some money at some point or another....well i didnt make any money, and lost the last bit that I had. I was planning on paying you back....still am...but dont have 5k. dont even have 1k. have 230 dollars in the bank. thats it. i probably wont be in vegas...well i might if i find a staker, but if i dont i will be out trying to get a job most likely. i owe other people money too, and with my mortgage and my over due bank charges, and credit cards there are alot of things i need to pay so money even if i make it is scarce. I could win 100k tommorow and nearly all would be gone in a few days after paying bills. i know its the principle, but yuou seem to be doing alright for now. ill get it to you someday, but put yourself in my position, i have bill collectors calling me and my family daily, a mortgage, and no money. and i have to find a way to eat. 200 dollars doesnt last very long especially when you have no credit cards. i know your not sympathetic, frankly i dont care, i am just letting you know whats up. Dont have money, doesnt lookl ike i am going to have it soon, adn even once i do, i am not sure how quickly i can pay you . i have never not payed debts in the past, so you shouldnt be worried. and when 5k means nothing to your roll, you should rest your laurels in the fact that one day you will get it....regardlss of how long it takes

Aspoker: I never chip dumped. I dont think he even accused me of that. I tilt and still do quite a bit. I guess that is intentional losing, but to think i was doing it to run up the make up to get dropped is pretty funny. I hit (near) triple digits in make up 3 seperate times with the chemist and got back out all but the last time. I was playing really high sngs (which was part of our deal) including heads up ones where if i did have an edge it would likely only be a fraction of a percent.

I got banned on FTP for jkidd logging on to my account. I was warned about it, and i did it again. It would be during times when i was tilting or had a family emergency. The final time it happened i was visiting my parents and had somethign come up and had to leave and they banned me. There is nothing i am not addressing, and not throwing blame around.

You still fail to mention keeping that check for yourself and lying to me for 2 months about not getting it, as you spent my money. Explain the facebook messages and the AIM Logs that I have.. Please, I'd love to hear it.

FWIW.. After he won the 120k I asked him nicely to be paid back what I'm owed. I did him a favor by staking him in the first place and he should feel terrible about f'ing someone over that had done nothing but help him in the past. Like I said.. his response to this was "I'll think about it" and then never spoke to me in 2 months.. this is why I'm at this point now