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***OFFICIAL Stars 2015 MTT Discussion Thread*** ***OFFICIAL Stars 2015 MTT Discussion Thread***

03-27-2015 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by gollyheck
Man it must be so F terrible to be European.
I actually have missed quite a bunch of tournaments because of ridiculous way how Stars has their day-light savings time arranged. Mainly O8 though, but it is really not worth my time to build up another parallel tournament table just because Stars decide to keep their ridiculous time zone that should've been changed. Actually it is just Stars.eu/com... Stars.fr don't use ridiculous Eastern Time which should have been gone with Black Friday.
03-27-2015 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by gollyheck
Man it must be so F terrible to be European.
Not saying its terrible just explaining why prizepools might be down.

I know we got it good im from the UK so zero tax on winnings also.

03-27-2015 , 01:01 AM
Wait guys, I thought every tournament started too late for Europeans. Now you are saying everything starts too early because of a 1 hour shift? lol
03-27-2015 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
Wait guys, I thought every tournament started too late for Europeans. Now you are saying everything starts too early because of a 1 hour shift? lol

Too early for me im incredibly lazy.

W/e i dont care either way just giving a legit reasoning for the reduced prizepools so stars doesn't keep reducing them. Wasnt a moan about the time change on my end.
03-27-2015 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
Wait guys, I thought every tournament started too late for Europeans. Now you are saying everything starts too early because of a 1 hour shift? lol
At the weekends everything is too late. During the week a lot of the tournaments that would usually be played/late reg'd by those working 9-5 are no longer running when they get home from work. I think that's why the number of recs in these tournaments drop. Because it goes on for 3 weeks it has quite an impact.

Really not sure why Stars insists on keeping the daylight savings based on a country that is no longer allowed to play.
03-27-2015 , 03:41 AM
Many europeans love those times of the year when everything is shifted back... I can start a great session at b22 time and not be up late and still wake up for work just fine, so till now I haven't seen anyone complaining about it, quite the opposite.
03-27-2015 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mashxx
Many europeans love those times of the year when everything is shifted back... I can start a great session at b22 time and not be up late and still wake up for work just fine, so till now I haven't seen anyone complaining about it, quite the opposite.
What are your work hours? In the UK the Big 22 currently starts at 4pm which means that you have to be home from work by 6pm at the latest to even be able to late reg it. If you work 9-5.30 which is the norm in the UK you would be in a very small minority who is actually able to be home in time to play it.
Plus I'm not sure how keen recs would be to late reg at the very last minute with 10BBs.
03-27-2015 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by unoturbo999
At the weekends everything is too late. During the week a lot of the tournaments that would usually be played/late reg'd by those working 9-5 are no longer running when they get home from work. I think that's why the number of recs in these tournaments drop. Because it goes on for 3 weeks it has quite an impact.

Really not sure why Stars insists on keeping the daylight savings based on a country that is no longer allowed to play.
This.

It's a tough one because B109 sats and B22 start too early for UK workers currently but on the flip side, B11 finishes far too late for people having to get up for work. I would like to see the B11 at 6pm GMT and the B22 at 5pm GMT.

The problem at the weekends is that everything is so late - sunday mill being the main one. 7:30pm GMT is ridiculous for people that have work Monday. When the Super Tuesday was at 10pm GMT I remember winning a satellite and being shattered 3-4 hours in. The Sunday tourneys would be so much better (purely from a selfish European view) if they were a few hours earlier.
03-27-2015 , 06:41 AM
UK, Portugal and Iceland are in the GMT timezone, all the rest of Europe is in GMT+1 or GMT+2 timezones. The majority of Europe now have the schedule at the normal UK time (or 1 hour later).

I don't know why anyone from Europe would complain about mtts starting earlier.
I don't know the low/mid stakes schedule, but I've always had the impression that there is something worth playing almost around the clock in the < 50 buy in range. Maybe I'm wrong?

I can only speak for myself, and as for the high stakes schedule which is the only thing I care about, there has never been anything even near starting too early, but always the opposite. Myself and everyone I know think these three weeks are awesome because it opens up for playing some more of the higher buy ins that they usually have to skip.
03-27-2015 , 06:51 AM
It can be summarised for Europeans as:

Earlier is better if you're a pro/don't work 9-5
If you work, then some mtt's get missed.
03-27-2015 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Danshiel350
It can be summarised for Europeans as:

Earlier is better if you're a pro/don't work 9-5
If you work, then some mtt's get missed.
this obv

usually rush home to late reg the hot 33$, as is right now I can just chill till big 109 and latereg everything else as I pretty much just miss big 75$...
03-27-2015 , 09:55 AM
I see sng structures are getting a huge overhaul. This is good, but I'd specifically like to address the step system. These are extremely overraked for having such a flat pay structure and fast structure, plus you get tickets which force you to play another tournament where you pay rake again. It's also raked completely inconsistently (7+0.50, 25+2, 75+7, 200+15, 670+30). In reality they should be raked more like hypers imo.

Whenever I've tried to play steps activity seems kinda low. If these ran more I would satty into the 215s every week, but it's too much of a hassle and too much rake to the point where it doesn't seem worth playing. It seems like a very healthy idea to fix these and promote them a bit. I personally like the idea of making each consecutive step have a slightly better structure than the previous one, but the main point is that if you drop the rake significantly you'll get it back in increased participation and growing your main tournaments. It's a cool concept and it worked well many years ago, but as it stands it doesn't perform its function very well imo.

Something like 7.15+0.35 -> 25.85+1.15 -> 79.25+2.75 -> 210+5 -> 686+14 or something would be a huge improvement. Use the 10/20 15/30 20/40 25/50 30/60 40/80 50/100 60/120 75/150 100/200 structure and start step 1 at 20/40, step 2 at 15/30, step 3 at 10/20, give step four 2000 chips and step five 3000 chips.

Obv the numbers would have to be tweaked slightly to award precise tickets, but I think I made my point

ED- Not sure if this is the right place to post, but it's relevant to mtts. Also the same should go for step A-G of course.
03-27-2015 , 10:13 AM
Definite +1 for a revamp/refreshing of the steps system. Especially as you're gearing more MTTs to the steps buy-ins.
03-27-2015 , 10:32 AM
stars should keep abolishing withered mtts and try to re-popularize turbo 180s including some promos for 15s-35s and maybe starting 60s to run daily if possible. 180s seem like they could fill a niche for casual players who are interested in tournaments but dont want the big time commitment. they are a very unique part of the schedule.
03-27-2015 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by C Lovett
stars should keep abolishing withered mtts and try to re-popularize turbo 180s including some promos for 15s-35s and maybe starting 60s to run daily if possible. 180s seem like they could fill a niche for casual players who are interested in tournaments but dont want the big time commitment. they are a very unique part of the schedule.
Agree with this now they have antes.

The horrible nit fests they were until 125/250/25 were not appealing for recs or regs alike.

Will be playing more myself now.
03-27-2015 , 11:43 AM
Huge steps fan here, and as much as I'd like lower rake, i really don't get the rationale for suggesting they should be as low as hypers.

Def make the new STT structure for steps.

And i've said it a few times now, but pleeease add 6max steps. Especially at the higher levels. The case for that is strong.

As for the MTTSnG's, perhaps with some of the "glut" being removed there will be a market for higher buy in reg speeds (10min blinds, NOT 15). Would be a good way to satisy those who enjoy some smaller fields.
03-27-2015 , 12:59 PM
While generally turbo rake should be lower for MTTs we have some solid arguments for that, I think by demanding it for Steps we have to back it up solidly. Steps are a bit special and I can't wrap my head around how it they should be raked fairly for both parties but I'd be curious to find out.
03-27-2015 , 01:12 PM
Nice promotions
03-27-2015 , 01:52 PM
Steps have a flatter payout than a standard sit 'n go, you can recycle your step ticket by getting 4th in some cases, and it stimulates higher buyin steps (more rake) and mtts (more rake/bigger fields attracting more players). I think these are all justifications for lowering the rake significantly.

Maybe not quite as low as hypers, I don't know, but atm they're raked even harsher than regular turbo sngs. Except step 1, which randomly has lower (7%) rake. I just randomly came up with some numbers that seemed healthy to me. Turns out they're a bit higher than hypers anyway. I just think that if anything should get a premium treatment, it's the thing that stimulates other action.
03-27-2015 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
Please keep the 320 6max it's fun tournament regs always chatting in the chat box, lots of battles, the fish really enjoy it and you should go deep every so often.

lol.
03-27-2015 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by romdom
how about changing the 109 7.5k gtd, that used to be a 10k if im not mistaken, to the daily 109 kickoff and put a 20k guarantee on it?
Good idea here obviously, this tournament is legit dying.
03-27-2015 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RPH
Bryan

V happy with how you're handle things. I've noticed you lowered a 55o gtd at 10.30 (from 7.5k to 6k).

My impression is that instead of keep lowering gtds at the point of almost converting them into non-gtds and let them die slowly, there are better alternatives:

1) convert into red if viable.
2) merge it with a similar tournament at a similar time slot (avoiding the cannibalizing effect). The 54 ko starting at 11.00 could be the case here.
3) put sometimes a promo for non/red tournaments so that you assure a decent gtd (IMO 10k gtd is that number of $50 MTTs). Golden MTTs maybee once in a while (imitating the golden SNG)?
4) Change the format if necessary (turbo to reg, normal to PKO, etc).
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Originally Posted by blakkman08
Yea I d rather play a big 54ko than two reggy bowls half an hour apart
Since Big 75 is in the schedule, that one is worth skipping. (Top 3 is just getting lower and lower). Imo you could/should simply remove it and then tournaments around would benefit few more players from that and then bigger prize pool.
03-27-2015 , 07:13 PM
Hot 162 and Hot 215 daily plz. 60k and 70k guarantees would be epic.
03-28-2015 , 11:44 AM
The Big 75 has been in the lineup for quite some time now and I think it is clear that it doesn't seem to be growing into the tourney we'd hoped. It is hovering around the 30k mark daily (disregarding Sunday of course). This tourney has so much more potential but I think the time slot is wrong. It would fit in perfectly between the Big 109 and Big 55 and it could easily be an 80k Gtd as well! Change the time slot to 2 pm Est (right in between the Big 109 and Big 55 and watch it boom.
03-28-2015 , 11:48 AM
You mean like today when it has a 42k prizepool? Big 75 actually grew into exactly what we hoped for. An early daily midstakes mtt with a sizeable prizepool.

      
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