Such a shame to see the non turbo 180s dying imo.

Think LO's idea of having some 90mans introduced instead of the 11/180 that never runs could be a decent idea.

I think there needs to be more than the 4/180 readily available imo

The more I think about it, the more the following makes sense:
Stars should ONLY offer the following MTTSNGs:
18-man turbo
27-man regspeed
45-man turbo
90-man regspeed (make them KOs if you want; progressive KOs would be awesome)
180-man turbo

There's definitely still a market for non turbo MTTSNGs, as evidenced by the popularity of $4.50 180s and $3.50/$6 45s. If these games were removed from the client, there would be a lot of pissed off regular players. But these players would mostly migrate to whatever other regspeed MTTSNGs remained available, so 27s and 90s would get a significant upturn in traffic and the beauty of this idea is that 27s and 90s would run more often than 45s and 180s even if there was a 30-40% reduction in the size of the player pool!

Removing regspeed 45s and 180s (and turbo 27s and 90s) may seem a risky proposal, as there are hundreds of regs / recs who would be inconvenienced by such a change. But seriously, how many of these guys are going to actually quit the site in protest? The regs are all locked in to the VIP system, and the recreational players will always find other ways to spend their money. And they're not all as stupid as we think; many can navigate the filters and find games that suit their requirements. Smaller field sizes for the regspeed MTTSNGs would surely lead to more games going off, which could easily lead to increased interest in higher stakes games. I for one would never dream of registering for a $35 turbo 180 these days, but I'd snap sign up for a $55 regspeed 90-man. Surely I'm not that unique!

The problem with having so much choice in terms of field size and blind speed is the player pools get spread unnecessarily thin. Trim the availability a bit and watch the respective player pools increase dramatically. Surely worth a trial run!?

I'm not sure that LO's specific suggestion is the right one, but there's no denying that this statement is truth.

agree

I don't hate the idea of a 90 man reg speed but I would definitely miss the 180 man format (although I obviously would fall into the category of moving to the 90man/alternative reg speed sng rather than quitting site) Maybe that's because we are just so used to it. I never even look at the 45 man atm.

I just like the 'feel' of a 180man as it feels like a normal mtt in most senses and such is a good training ground fro transitioning to scheduled mtts. I think that might be how a lot of rec's see the 180 man reg speed too.

When you do introduce on demand a good time to trial them would be off peak times. After about 19:00 ET the volume of 180's starts to decline a lot. Having to wait until a full 180 players have regged just doesnt work at the quieter times of the day, there aren't the 80 to 120 regs during the peak times who will all reg and get the games started. The only way to have proper volume of mttsngs for off peak times is to allow the field size to be variable and allow them to start with fewer players which on demand would allow. You could have a $10 and $20 on demand mttsngs that appear in the main lobby at around 19:00.

Off peak pokerstars is a bit like a separate site to peak time pokerstars so its a bit like how a smaller site wouldn't attempt to run 180 mttsngs and instead would use on demand mttsngs like full tilt does so that the players get to play mttsngs at quiet times and the site gets more rake.

This so much. For example, under the multi-table tab alone, with a filter between $0-20, there's like 40-50 sngs at least. As ostrich said, if you trim some of the less popular games, and things that hardly fill, these players will naturally transition into other more popular games.

I don't mind the idea of having 18 turbo, 27 reg, 45 turbo, etc., but I think I would prefer cutting the 27s and 90s period. Instead something like:

18-man turbo/reg
45-man turbo/reg
180-man turbo/reg

And then throw in LO's 90 man progressive KO, as the staple 90-man. Or even copy the old FT 90-man structure. I've never really understood the point behind 27s. There's stt's, 18s, 45s. Do we need a 36-man too?

Also, to Baard; Has there been any movement on the idea of $27 180s/tickets allowed to buy-in, thanks.

Massively agree with this, I can't believe that it hasn't already been implemented. So frustrating sat waiting for the 180s to go off at non-peak times

+1

Hello all,

Time to address those questions again:
In this post a while back, I made the following statement, which is still representative of our views on adding more 180 player rebuy tournaments:

I can understand the frustration for those of you who like regular speed tournaments, but shorter blind levels have become the norm.

However, changing the $11 180 man tournament to a 90 player tournament sounds like a decent proposal. I will look at the numbers and discuss with my colleagues and then get back to you soon.

It is definitely not impossible that there is room for improvement in the MTT SNG offering. And we are very aware of the liquidity issues that you mention. I have certainly used that argument more than once when explaining why we are hesitant about adding certain tournaments.

However, the problem with making wholesale changes like you propose is that it affects so many players, so we need to be absolutely sure that most players will see the new offering as an improvement before we make them. In this case, I would be surprised if most players did see such a change as an improvement. Removing games that players are used to inevitably leads to a lot of complaints.

Thank you for the suggestion. I do see how the benefit could be greater at off peak hours but we would be more likely to trial by switching over a single tournament to on-demand 24/7.

Thanks,
Baard

Since when do $60 180mans run on Fridays? Thought they'd only run on TU and SU, did you change that or did I just miss them all the time?

I would be very concerned that this would affect liquidity. Don't want to sound like a broken record but it's true

give us a buyin for the 180man turbo's between $2.50 and $8 damn it! how can you not do this and get away with it? you suck, pokerstars, f ur monopoly!

I would be very concerned that this would affect liquidity. Don't want to sound like a broken record but it's true

lolgfy

Any chance of adding a 3.50$ 180 Man tournament ticket to the VIP store? They would greatly increase the traffic and get more recreational players to try them out given you could advertise them for 300FPPs or less.

Considering the regular player pool for these tournaments would pay less rake, you could also add the feature that you're only entitled for 1x tournament ticket per month/week per vip status.
So for example:

Player A has the BronzeStar VIP status and is entitled to buy 1x tournament ticket per month.
Player B has the SilverStar VIP status and is entitled to buy 3x tournament tickets per month.


agree with everything LostOstrich says but i'm not playing these games, means i'm not really entitled to have a opinion on this.

looks good, def +1 to 90s regspeed KO

There is no action on the $ 11 reg speed 180m, but this could be solved with some highlights or KO system, these sngs would be a dream for many regs. When referring to 90m're talking $ 11 reg speed course?

How bout making it a KO or even superKO? Think it would seriously get then filling

oh boy, make regspeed 180s progressive super KOs and I will never leave the house again

Lololol why not just mix them and then get avg buyin of 5$.

Same same but different

Hello all,
Just a few questions to deal with this time:

Adding S&G tickets to the VIP store has been suggested before, but at this time it is not something we are going to do.

The tickets you can buy for your FPPs are focused on our signature events or new events that we want to promote.

Thanks,
Baard

would you ever consider changing the $11 non turbo 180 man's to $11 turbo zoom's? They would fill regularly, and turbo zoom is about equivalent to a non turbo with how many hands you see per level. Hope you consider it

please please please fix that bug where table dont automatic close once you busted.

+1

Hello all,

Some more issues to reply to:

If we ever deploy Zoom Sit&Gos, it would certainly make sense to introduce them as a replacement for games that don't run very often. However, we currently do not have any plans of introducing Zoom Sit&Gos, but who knows what the future will bring.


Thanks,
Baard