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11-11-2010 , 06:59 PM
Congrats Dale

Newest addition to my art collection-

11-11-2010 , 07:01 PM
It's kinda ****
11-11-2010 , 07:11 PM
Congrats Dale!
11-11-2010 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by entim
It's kinda ****
wow, 2p2 censores the word "good"?

Last edited by jurrasstoil; 11-11-2010 at 07:12 PM. Reason: oh... i see, they don't...
11-11-2010 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by entim
It's kinda ****
since when did aw.esome get censored?
11-11-2010 , 07:36 PM
SICK article about twins that are conjoined at the scull and share part of the same brain.... 1 person or 2?!?

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/11/02/a...ir-mind/print/
11-11-2010 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by smiteme
SICK article about twins that are conjoined at the scull and share part of the same brain.... 1 person or 2?!?
2 people AINEC. The reasons would involve a long, self satisfied philosophical post. So here's a twitter version:

People are defined by their psychology which is generated by the brain. They have 2 parts of the brain that generate psychology, so they're 2 people.

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11-11-2010 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Kvaughan
Dare I talk about criterion of personal identity? Because philosophy has some answers to this question...
just don't forget about the 140 character rule.
11-11-2010 , 07:48 PM
For balance:


2 penises walk into a bar....
11-11-2010 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by smiteme
SICK article about twins that are conjoined at the scull and share part of the same brain.... 1 person or 2?!?

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/11/02/a...ir-mind/print/
I read that article last night. It'll be really interesting when they get older and can verbalize what is going on in their head(s).

Also, apparently they were on a documentary that was shown on cbc's doczone. I'm going to see if I can find it.

As for you question, 2 people for sure imo.
11-11-2010 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Gazillion
For balance:


2 penises walk into a bar....
Are they conjoined penises?
11-11-2010 , 07:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by entim
It's kinda bhan

FYP? How many guesses do we have left?

Last edited by AMT; 11-11-2010 at 07:54 PM. Reason: you spelled ban wrong, too!
11-11-2010 , 07:56 PM
Well here's the reasoning behind why they could be "1" person:

It all comes down to how much of the processing between the brains is transfered to the other via the thalamus. The thalamus primarily regulates sensory information, but it is also connected to the corpus callosum directly. The corpus callosum is the part of the brain that bridges the two hemispheres together and sends signals back and forth in your brain.

What i find interesting is if you sever the corpus callosum, you can get someone to respond to stimuli from 2 different points of view (their right/left hemispheres). These hemispheres have essentially 2 different personalities and will respond to things in drastically different ways and give different reasons for why they are responding.... The only reason we consider ourselves "1" person is because we synthesize all of our thoughts into one coherent "mind".

If these kids are sharing a lot of the same experience, and can "hear" each others thoughts, it may be true that they are communicating to each other through their brains in the same way that our right and left hemisphere communicate; and yet, we consider our selves 1 person.


Just playing devils advocate.... i imagine they are 2 distinct people with some overlap, but its still an interesting thought.

Last edited by smiteme; 11-11-2010 at 08:03 PM. Reason: oh yeah.... and what do a Rubix cube and a penis have in common?
11-11-2010 , 08:03 PM
I'm no neuroscientist, but I wouldn't say that split brain patients have two different personalities just because they respond to things in different ways. I respond differently to the same thing all the time.
11-11-2010 , 08:07 PM
The way they perform those experiments (in part) is by presenting stimuli to the right or left visual field. The visual fields send info to the opposite side of the brain. So, if you get a patient to respond to something in his right field, only his left hemisphere receives the information and visa versa... The two hemispheres consistently respond differently (and emotionally) to the stimuli... in a normal person, the hemispheres can communicate so the info is synthesized, but in someone with a split brain only 1 hemisphere does any processing
11-11-2010 , 08:08 PM
the problem with discussion of topics like this is that people define what a person is, and they give their answer. The someone else makes a different definition of what constitutes a single person, and gives their answer. Then they argue because their answers differ.
11-11-2010 , 08:09 PM
So I'm back at home after a fun few hours of thumb twiddling wondering wtf was going on. Apparently they've taken the bomb away to be detonated elsewhere. Just sent a letter to Stars support to see if they would be awesome enough to reimburse my buyins. Time will tell......
11-11-2010 , 08:11 PM
Guys^^^


Spoiler:
I am more prone to be inquisitive to promote discussion. I want to find out what your thinking was. I wanna find out what your feelings are...and did you learn anything?
11-11-2010 , 08:12 PM
Devinlake: that's kind of the point: we're arguing over the best definition.
Smiteme: I know how the experiments work (psyc major ftw), but I don't think that means they have 2 different personalities.

Thought experiment:

You commit a horrible crime. Afterwards your brain is transplanted from your body and placed in a new body. It contains all the information your brain has now. Your body then gets a new brain. When the police come to arrest you, what should they arrest -- your body or your brain?

If you think they arrest the brain, then you want psychology or brain to be the definition of what a person is.
11-11-2010 , 08:16 PM
In before someone says women aren't people.
11-11-2010 , 08:20 PM
That thought experiment presupposes a complete distinction between mind and body. Certain research would suggest there is more of an overlap though, and that our mannerisms, talents, and thoughts are distributed at some level throughout our entire system. There have been a number of interesting stories about recipients of organ donations "inheriting" the traits of the donors - such as people with no previous artistic ability becoming talented painters after receiving the liver of an artist, for example.

If this is actually the case, then somebody with a brain that has homicidal tendencies would also have imparted that characteristic onto the rest of their organism, making the body equally complicit, and therefore you should arrest both (which kind of sucks for the new brain) or none.
11-11-2010 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Gazillion
That thought experiment presupposes a complete distinction between mind and body. Certain research would suggest there is more of an overlap though, and that our mannerisms, talents, and thoughts are distributed at some level throughout our entire system. There have been a number of interesting stories about recipients of organ donations "inheriting" the traits of the donors - such as people with no previous artistic ability becoming talented painters after receiving the liver of an artist, for example.

If this is actually the case, then somebody with a brain that has homicidal tendencies would also have imparted that characteristic onto the rest of their organism, making the body equally complicit, and therefore you should arrest both (which kind of sucks for the new brain) or none.
I'd want to see the research because it sounds bogus to me. But, even if it is true, this has to be the exception rather than the rule, right? Friends of violent people sometimes become more violent as a result, should we lock them up as well?
11-11-2010 , 08:25 PM
Most chicks have like 3 to 5 personalities... Are they one 1 person or 5...?
11-11-2010 , 08:27 PM
The urinal in the men's room is the only place on the golf course where no one comes over and offers to correct your stance.
11-11-2010 , 08:28 PM
A couple of examples:

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/...f_their_organ/

http://bobsnewheart.wordpress.com/20...tics-of-donor/

Do some googling on cellular memory and a bunch of stuff should come up, both supporting it and refuting it, but either way - there's a school of thought that subscribes to the idea.

      
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