Ok. I admire those who can live with such certitude.
If the sad day comes when a Merge scandal breaks, I'll be sure to requote you on that.

You make sure and do that.

If you have a complaint about the RNG on a site, dont post it in a STTF strat forum, post it in ****in IP with the idiots

Other scandals have mostly involved superusing, rogue employees and bad business decisions by management. There has never been anything remotely close to a scandal with slightly rigged software systematically designed to move money from good players to fish, except of course in the rigtard thread. Im sorry but that is just ridiculous. And opening up the thread to the bolded would be a waste of time since people who believe poker is rigged are not going rationally examine evidence to the contrary.

My belief is that these statistical abnormalities come from; small sample sizes, new payout structures, HEM not importing all games and importing incorrect buyins and having incorrect payouts programmed for the redline.

That coupled with everyones frustration post BF and playing in more regged up games, playing less tables at a time and not knowing your ROI for these games can lead people to jump to the conclusion that the normal variance they are experiencing isnt just luck.

Poker News Daily is reporting that Merge will open to new US customers within a week, so that is very good news and should provide some new fish. We'll see if stats get better soon, hope so!

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/report...-a-week-19828/

+1

Agree with ruse and also want to include that most people running good are less likely to post about it here. So you tend to see a selection bias where those running the worst are most likely to post their horrible bad luck.

Vikingfan, how many tourneys are you looking at?

If the RNG on this site was flawed in any way it would have been caught way before now. It's not like Lock is a new site. There were plenty of regs on here before BF.

ROIs on this site, especially pre RB, are gonna be lower because there aren't a large quantity of bad players. This means more swings for the worse. I'll share my graph for the month. I'm (not) liking the nice "M" my results have taken, but I'm banking on a heater anytime now.



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But seriously,I am not bothered in the slightest by this 60 BI downswong (if it gets to 100 I might start b****ing a little bit haha). I'm pretty sure I was 120 BI below EV at one point last month, but I rebounded. I don't have a graph, but it was disgusting.

We've allowed the posting of graphs here in order to facilitate a structured discussion on the site and its various games and features. Unsurprisingly, it has been ruined with RNG and 'zomg rigged' talk.

As ruse has pointed out, the statistical 'anomalies' seem to fall more under the category of 'abnormalities in the context of my standard grind over not such huge samples'. He also put forth other points that I needn't repeat, but that you would do well to reconsider and let sink in.

If you're going to try to put forth a credible argument for a site legitimately being rigged or having a flawed RNG, you need to do it with a sense of poise and rationality that you're not displaying here. Lots of constructive and extensive evidence needs to be put forth, and it should be done in the Internet Poker forum. Not here. And not to mention that other various entities should be involved in such an investigation/claim/evaluation of the evidence at hand. Right now it's just plain derailing the thread. There were way more 'site is rigged I swear' before BF, so please do not use it as a scapegoat for developing these theories or credibility behind such theories being more prominent now than before. If anything it is the other way around.

It is really unfortunate that it has come to this but this thread may be locked sooner than we hoped it would have to be. Regardless of what is decided, no additional discussion past the guidelines put forth in the OP will be tolerated. It really is as simple as that.

Reopened, but please follow the rules of the thread, and AMT's guidelines or we will perma lock this.

What do you guys think of the 70/30 payouts on 6m rather than 65/35?

I used to play on FTP w 65/35 and I think stars is also. So a lot of us are more familiar 65/35.

I think I like 65/35 a bit more because it adds a bit more of a 'bubble effect'.

Hey guys, new to Merge (2 months-ish). I think it's interesting that there's a lot of action at the lowest buyins and seems to always be a 6-handed sng populating at the $20+ buyin range, but few in the $10-$20. Wonder why? The play doesn't seem to be much better that high either.

70/30 is teh awesome, top heavy ftw. I enjoy the lesser icm effect early on so I can play a wee bit loosa

$10-20 seems most popular to me :O If not I'd guess it's, because there's enough n00bs for low stakes and enough regs for high stakes so they start faster?

Someone help me start the no limit omaha games ffs! These things are the nutssss. Super fun and everyone is super bad

hey guys, ive searched the thread but cant seem to find anybody posting the average length of the 6max superturbos. what have you guys found to be the average length per tourney? what is the most you have played per hour?

My average over ~5k games is 6.0 minutes.

5.8 mins here

HEM is having trouble showing the correct buy ins for the HUSNGs I play at (well for some levels, not all of them)

ie $2.10 and $56.10 read as $11.00 buy ins

This is a known HEM bug and the last I heard (5 days ago) is that in the next HEM update they plan to have a patch for it.

Lock Pro Jordan Ebener has bitched at them enough that I guess they agreed to finally put in a patch to fix it; that's what Jordan said to me on skype at least

Sweet...I'm glad you didn't say I have to do a manual entry for those games lol. Thanks dude

They just added some 12 person 6max super turbos. They have a 50/30/20 payout. So even though the prize pool will be bigger, that still plays like the bubble of a 9man right?

Trying to find out if they award leaderbaord points or not but i think not.

Yeah it would play exactly the same. These games seem really cool. Now we just need merge to add a t50 level to the 6m supers.

Id much rather add 75/150 andor 3/6 than 25/50.

hmmmm. why? I would much rather have t150 and t600 then just t50 but I can't see why if they were to just add one you would not take the lowest blind option.

Maybe because you don't want to have to deal with being 20 bbs, so you can just be in strictly push/fold mode???

But yeah I think Merge should really do something to help out the supers. I mean they make a lot of money for merge because they run way more than other SNGs. Obv adding some chips or helping the blind structures is effectively lowering the rake, but I think they would be real good for the game, then maybe they make up for it by having more people grinding them. Adding a blind level in would probably add like 2 minutes to the average game time.

Also I think there should be a little difference between the reg speeds and the turbos. Instead of having them both $30+3 for ex. they should keep the reg speed the same and make the turbos $33 + $3. Give us a little incentive to play the turbo. There is no reason to have the effective rake higher on the turbos.

Yeah ive been playing 10bb supers as my main game for the past couple years and id have to start thinking while i play if they made it deeper and i dont want that

So how do you think is best to play the 12 mans? IDK if you can have nash ranges since its a mtsng. Ive been playing the first table a little wider than the normal shoving and calling ranges i have for the 6m. Maybe even really close to Cev. Then start paying attention to ICM with around 5 to go.

I bet pwning the "final table" bubble is gonna be really important.

There are times in the 6m supers where it's at 50/100 and you have doubled and a player to your left doubled, it's folded to you OTB. Then push/shove is not really optimal.

It's interesting to think about which is closer to Cev, or by how much, between early in a 6m super w 70/30 payout or early in a 12m with 50/30/20. In the 70/30 a 1/3 of players cash though whearas in a 12m only 1/4 do. So they might kinda balance out.

And I agree that pwning bubbles will be more important in the 12m.

I want bb50 + bb600 and one other prob. Would be sweet if they added antes imo

Time to try out these 12mans I'm excited