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12-05-2014 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
We currently have 375 FPP 6-Max Double Shootouts to the Sunday Million, though they're Turbos and they only award 1 seat. If we were to offer FPP Hypers to the Million which were the same format as those for the Sunday Storm (6-Max Hyper DS awarding 5 seats), they'd be significantly more expensive. 1,875 FPP would get 5 seats into the pool in a 36-player Double Shootout to the Sunday Million.

How about a 750 FPP 6-Max Hyper-Turbo Double Shootout S&G which awards 2 seats to the Sunday Million? There would be no remainder, so places 3rd through 6th would end up with nothing. Alternatively, we could try out 1,125 FPP 6-Max Hyper-Turbo Double Shootout S&G... they'd award 3 seats. I'm not sure how such satellites would work in terms of getting people to play them, but I see no harm in trying them out and seeing how they do.

What do others think? Which of the above would you most likely play?
I like either, but I wouldn't want to go much higher since I think it would price out low stakes recreational players.
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12-06-2014 , 12:18 AM
500FPP+ 2x Sats to Wed Hun
300FPP+ 2x Sats to Million/Warmup
700FPP+ 1x Sats to Million/Warmup
200FPP+ 3x Sats to Million/Warmup
500FPP+ 1x Sats to Big109/162

The last 4 ones can run everyday
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12-06-2014 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
We currently have 375 FPP 6-Max Double Shootouts to the Sunday Million, though they're Turbos and they only award 1 seat. If we were to offer FPP Hypers to the Million which were the same format as those for the Sunday Storm (6-Max Hyper DS awarding 5 seats), they'd be significantly more expensive. 1,875 FPP would get 5 seats into the pool in a 36-player Double Shootout to the Sunday Million.

How about a 750 FPP 6-Max Hyper-Turbo Double Shootout S&G which awards 2 seats to the Sunday Million? There would be no remainder, so places 3rd through 6th would end up with nothing. Alternatively, we could try out 1,125 FPP 6-Max Hyper-Turbo Double Shootout S&G... they'd award 3 seats. I'm not sure how such satellites would work in terms of getting people to play them, but I see no harm in trying them out and seeing how they do.

What do others think? Which of the above would you most likely play?
is there any reason there should be no remainder?

i like the idea that if you win your first table you are frerolling your shot at the seat, and if you dont get it oh well, fire up another one

seems like it would make them run more often too
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12-06-2014 , 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
We currently have 375 FPP 6-Max Double Shootouts to the Sunday Million, though they're Turbos and they only award 1 seat.
Are you sure? The only 375FPP sat to the SM I can find is a 36man turbo 9max freezeout. I think either you're confusing this with a 6m DS, or not all sats are available in my region?


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If we were to offer FPP Hypers to the Million which were the same format as those for the Sunday Storm (6-Max Hyper DS awarding 5 seats), they'd be significantly more expensive. 1,875 FPP would get 5 seats into the pool in a 36-player Double Shootout to the Sunday Million.

How about a 750 FPP 6-Max Hyper-Turbo Double Shootout S&G which awards 2 seats to the Sunday Million? There would be no remainder, so places 3rd through 6th would end up with nothing. Alternatively, we could try out 1,125 FPP 6-Max Hyper-Turbo Double Shootout S&G... they'd award 3 seats. I'm not sure how such satellites would work in terms of getting people to play them, but I see no harm in trying them out and seeing how they do.

What do others think? Which of the above would you most likely play?
I think I'd personally prefer the 1125FPP one out of those options. Either that or make 375FPP 6m DS HT with the one seat.
I too like the idea of freerolling after you've won your first table, but it's true that it would price out a lot of people.
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12-06-2014 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
On the one hand, I have nothing to do with the PCA satellites this year, though I will ask those who are running said satellites if they've given any consideration to an $11 freezeout. On the other hand, I tend to doubt that there is much value in a satellite which is a 1595:1 shot against. We ran such satellites in the past, and they weren't very successful... they overlaid pretty heavily and they provided a negative player experience in the opinions of many (due to the extreme long-shot nature of such satellites). Still, I'll ask if they've been considered for this year... not everyone minds an extreme long-shot now and then... if they did, lotteries wouldn't exist.


Will do. Thanks for the heads-up.


Have you ever considered one of these for the PCA and other live events like LAPT ?

1-Mega Path similar to the one with FPP but with $$$, where 1 in 3 move up.

2-Step MTT, use the same path available on the steps but in MTT format all the way up to $2100 or even higher.
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12-06-2014 , 01:38 PM
Bryan first off you've done a commendable job itt of late. Much appreciated.

3x sats have at least 3 different blind structures in the lobby and it makes it very confusing to multi table and time consuming to check what the format is prior to regging. Can this be consolidated into 1 format. I suppose I have a slight preference in which one, but I really don't care as long as it's consistent across the board. Any chance of this happening soon? And if not, why not?
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12-06-2014 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ajei
Have you ever considered one of these for the PCA and other live events like LAPT ?

1-Mega Path similar to the one with FPP but with $$$, where 1 in 3 move up.

2-Step MTT, use the same path available on the steps but in MTT format all the way up to $2100 or even higher.
step MTT sounds fun, but it's essentially just a mega path where you win a ticket to the next round if i'm understanding the idea correctly. do you mean scheduled MTT or SNG MTT? would def play some if they were added for aussie mills
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12-06-2014 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
step MTT sounds fun, but it's essentially just a mega path where you win a ticket to the next round if i'm understanding the idea correctly. do you mean scheduled MTT or SNG MTT? would def play some if they were added for aussie mills
Scheduled MTT, the idea is to have a very good ratio of moving up, like the mega path (1 in 3), but with cash, and non hypers. And since the ticket structure for the steps is already there why not try to use them as scheduled MTT as well.

Usually the satellite path for the live events (with some exceptions) is about 1:10 or worse, im just looking for a way to make it more interesting. Imagine a $6K sat to the PCA fed by a $2.1K<--$700<--$215<--$82<--$27<--$7.50

This way you have a 1:4 or better shot at every single one.
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12-06-2014 , 02:34 PM
Are you making any provisions for the upcoming "taxation"/unjustified-rake on certain countries rebuys?

Obviously 2x and 3x turbos will be unplayable for people from these countries (or at least those that have a clue) and presumably traffic will decrease in these formats.

I don't know why but I was hopeful of a backtrack on the rebuy thing because it's so ludicrous but I guess it's not going to happen. Maybe if you only re-raked add-ons rather than rebuys then you won't screw up the current system.
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12-06-2014 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ajei
Scheduled MTT, the idea is to have a very good ratio of moving up, like the mega path (1 in 3), but with cash, and non hypers. And since the ticket structure for the steps is already there why not try to use them as scheduled MTT as well.

Usually the satellite path for the live events (with some exceptions) is about 1:10 or worse, im just looking for a way to make it more interesting. Imagine a $6K sat to the PCA fed by a $2.1K<--$700<--$215<--$82<--$27<--$7.50

This way you have a 1:4 or better shot at every single one.
+1 also for the Sunday millions, Super Tuesday etc !
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12-06-2014 , 10:47 PM
Yeah the step system is very under utilised imo. So much potential to have a bunch of different types of steps (MTT and SNG for each buy-in level) with different exit points

$7.50 into $27 step/mtt ticket, $7.50 into $33 mtt ticket
$27 into $82 step/mtt ticket, $27 into $109 mtt ticket, large field $27 into $215 and $320 mtt tickets
$82 into $215 step/mtt ticket, $82 into $320 mtt ticket
$215 into $700 step/mtt ticket, $215 into $1050 mtt ticket, large field $215 into $2100 step/mtt
$700 into $2100 step/mtt ticket, $700 into $5k mtt ticket, large field $700 into $10k (live and online) ticket

with scheduled "mtt steps" around the clock and the usual sng steps alongside some additional sng steps with different exit points, players will be rushing to join the lowest buy-in levels. 10fpps are currently offered (you could expand the fpp into step 1 offerings alot also) and then the $1 90 man steps special and of course the $7 step 1's would become ridic popular and it will flow upwards from there.

It's like a literal endless rake circle as people climb up the step levels and then are given a ticket with which they can play a super juicey MTT that they've been dying to play, which also gets raked. Not only that, they're very enjoyable to play.

I can think of so many more cool things you can do with steps.

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12-06-2014 , 11:04 PM
Big 215 would be great, also could have 6 max PSKO with Step entry levels 27, 82 and 215.
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12-06-2014 , 11:05 PM
'bb 500' needs to be added to the structures as mentioned earlier.
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12-06-2014 , 11:13 PM
obviously the 215 6M PSKO would be on at peak
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12-06-2014 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
Yeah the step system is very under utilised imo. So much potential to have a bunch of different types of steps (MTT and SNG for each buy-in level) with different exit points

$7.50 into $27 step/mtt ticket, $7.50 into $33 mtt ticket
$27 into $82 step/mtt ticket, $27 into $109 mtt ticket, large field $27 into $215 and $320 mtt tickets
$82 into $215 step/mtt ticket, $82 into $320 mtt ticket
$215 into $700 step/mtt ticket, $215 into $1050 mtt ticket, large field $215 into $2100 step/mtt
$700 into $2100 step/mtt ticket, $700 into $5k mtt ticket, large field $700 into $10k (live and online) ticket

with scheduled "mtt steps" around the clock and the usual sng steps alongside some additional sng steps with different exit points, players will be rushing to join the lowest buy-in levels. 10fpps are currently offered (you could expand the fpp into step 1 offerings alot also) and then the $1 90 man steps special and of course the $7 step 1's would become ridic popular and it will flow upwards from there.

It's like a literal endless rake circle as people climb up the step levels and then are given a ticket with which they can play a super juicey MTT that they've been dying to play, which also gets raked. Not only that, they're very enjoyable to play.

I can think of so many more cool things you can do with steps.
Really well thought out post +1
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12-06-2014 , 11:38 PM
Scheduled hourly step 2 "Skip a step!" start every hour at xx:02, buyin for $27 or step 2 ticket or xxxx fpps, 2x step 4 tickets are guaranteed. prizepool is paid out as follows:as many step 4 tickets as possible, as many step 3 tickets as possible(maybe skip this and just keep it as step 2 tickets being refunded), as many step 2 tickets as possible, followed by $T remainder prize.

could give you 1000 ideas

Last edited by Asjbaaaf; 12-06-2014 at 11:43 PM. Reason: currently unemployed hmu <3
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12-06-2014 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
Yeah the step system is very under utilised imo. So much potential to have a bunch of different types of steps (MTT and SNG for each buy-in level) with different exit points

$7.50 into $27 step/mtt ticket, $7.50 into $33 mtt ticket
$27 into $82 step/mtt ticket, $27 into $109 mtt ticket, large field $27 into $215 and $320 mtt tickets
$82 into $215 step/mtt ticket, $82 into $320 mtt ticket
$215 into $700 step/mtt ticket, $215 into $1050 mtt ticket, large field $215 into $2100 step/mtt
$700 into $2100 step/mtt ticket, $700 into $5k mtt ticket, large field $700 into $10k (live and online) ticket

with scheduled "mtt steps" around the clock and the usual sng steps alongside some additional sng steps with different exit points, players will be rushing to join the lowest buy-in levels. 10fpps are currently offered (you could expand the fpp into step 1 offerings alot also) and then the $1 90 man steps special and of course the $7 step 1's would become ridic popular and it will flow upwards from there.

It's like a literal endless rake circle as people climb up the step levels and then are given a ticket with which they can play a super juicey MTT that they've been dying to play, which also gets raked. Not only that, they're very enjoyable to play.

I can think of so many more cool things you can do with steps.
+1 Pretty well my exact thoughts just wasn't able to put it in to the same context as you haha . Even start out with step one being a $1-$2 mega sat with a $7.50 step awarded, running like 3-6 times a day to target all player pools ! Could see these being majorly popular.
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12-06-2014 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
Bryan first off you've done a commendable job itt of late. Much appreciated.

3x sats have at least 3 different blind structures in the lobby and it makes it very confusing to multi table and time consuming to check what the format is prior to regging. Can this be consolidated into 1 format. I suppose I have a slight preference in which one, but I really don't care as long as it's consistent across the board. Any chance of this happening soon? And if not, why not?
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12-06-2014 , 11:46 PM
Hmmm I guess my MTT step idea is getting some interest.

If implemented it might even help consolidate some satelites to different events but same buy-in (sunday million, warm up, 2nd chance, etc)
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12-06-2014 , 11:57 PM
Couldn't agree more that the steps have so much more potential.

As a poker player with a job, being able to put in shorter sessions midweek to gain juicy Mtt tickets appeals a LOT!! This is surely a common enough scenario. Always feels like way less step3s run than should.

I even feel like If you get steps right it could make a prospective big215 softer than the 162.

They 27s exit points are great. Though I think 27's could for sure be used to enter 109's.
82's very poor for exits.

The MTT's idea is a very good one, might give the steps more exposure and benefit step STT's.
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12-07-2014 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Danshiel350
Couldn't agree more that the steps have so much more potential.

As a poker player with a job, being able to put in shorter sessions midweek to gain juicy Mtt tickets appeals a LOT!! This is surely a common enough scenario. Always feels like way less step3s run than should.

I even feel like If you get steps right it could make a prospective big215 softer than the 162.

They 27s exit points are great. Though I think 27's could for sure be used to enter 109's.
82's very poor for exits.

The MTT's idea is a very good one, might give the steps more exposure and benefit step STT's.
This is what I used to love about 888 (all down hill now). Also could help to boost guarantees with more fishier, micro/low stakes players winning entries through this system creating a larger +ev for the regs giving more of them motivation to play !
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12-07-2014 , 11:00 AM
$39 reg speed freezeout to sunday million in 90 minutes still not open for registration. you mentioned you would take a look at fixing all of these, hopefully the next batch will have the 6 hours pre registration period
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12-07-2014 , 11:05 AM
The 10.50 to the warm up 4 max is still labeled as a turbo, despite being a hyper.
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12-09-2014 , 08:26 AM
where have all the KO week sats gone? Every event after today's $55 appears to only have a deadline sat..
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12-09-2014 , 10:27 AM
Deadline Sat structure is so terrible it's disgusting
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