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Alleged Multi-Accounting and Teamplay under management of TeachMePls and MaxKatz Alleged Multi-Accounting and Teamplay under management of TeachMePls and MaxKatz

02-04-2014 , 12:43 PM
Very well presented, Vadka. Hopefully Pokerstars (and the other networks) takes the appropriate action and shuts these clowns down.
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02-04-2014 , 03:48 PM
Thank you, however, it's not really not my credit. Most of the work was done by the TS of the original Russian thread,I just happened to be the medium. I do also hope that the purpose of this effort gets fulfilled and security departments find something if there is something serious to be found.
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02-04-2014 , 09:06 PM
Good job exposing such an operation. lol politicaments tho..

On a side note, you have to be the first russian ever I encountered on the interwebz who speaks/writes perfect english.
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02-04-2014 , 09:16 PM
Having lived in the States for 20+ years and having graduated from the US law school will do wonders for someone's English . Never managed to get rid of the accent though.
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02-04-2014 , 11:47 PM
Max Katz and TeachMePls are well known in Russian poker community by their illegal services and cheats.
They openly offered ghosting service for MTT final tables already several years ago until PS found out the issue. Since that time they offer their service in smaller publicity but still continue the "service".

The headquarters exists and they support their "clients" to multiaccounting, ghosting and other illegal activities.

By the way, Max Katz is famous in the Russian poker community by some other cheats and unetchical business, too, I personally know some guys who were cheated by Max Katz for a few thousand dollars.
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02-05-2014 , 12:32 AM
None of this is new as far as I can tell except that the allegations of misconduct are continuing. Max Katz has been alleged in MTT-C previously for ghosting.

Interesting ethical question for MTT-C-ers: Would you turn down MP money from Max Katz if it was proven that he is truly supporting this operation?
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02-05-2014 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by sawwee
Max Katz and TeachMePls are well known in Russian poker community by their illegal services and cheats.
They openly offered ghosting service for MTT final tables already several years ago until PS found out the issue. Since that time they offer their service in smaller publicity but still continue the "service".

The headquarters exists and they support their "clients" to multiaccounting, ghosting and other illegal activities.

By the way, Max Katz is famous in the Russian poker community by some other cheats and unetchical business, too, I personally know some guys who were cheated by Max Katz for a few thousand dollars.
As far as ghosting services, everything is true and as far as I know he never denied it. Allegations of other cheating and unethical business practices on his part I consider inappropriate in this thread, let alone that most of it is hearsay.

I am stressing the fact that this thread was never intended as a witch hunt or some sort of revenge or settling the personal scores with either Evgeniy or Max. Our goal is to rid the MTT fields (particularly, smaller fields of secondary rooms) of cheating and violations if such, indeed, exist and I, personally, would like to encourage you to conduct the discussion with this in mind.

Yes, given the reputation of Max with respect to ghosting, it is very likely that wrongdoing was and is going on at the Headquarters, however, we need the proof, in order for the pokerrooms to take action.

In addition, please keep in mind that there is still a chance that some (or all) of the players in that list under the spoiler may be innocent and we also need the said proof, in order not to damage their reputations and create potential problems for them if that were the case.
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02-05-2014 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Maxkatz
Since I went to opposition politics in 2011 I stopped my activity in the poker business.
And also after that you became even greater in spoiling facts when it comes to your poker-related business (i cant call teamplay "poker", true business). Poker school is business, poker players on contracts is business, investing in poker school and poker players is business.

There's strong evidence in those Skype logs and documents - you do involved in poker business because you are investor of this particular school/headquaters/poker office/whatever.

Dozens of related accounts sharing their hole cards in deep stages and final tables.

Other side of coin - in your post you do not deny possible multiaccounting scum because, again, there's no doubt you was aware of it.

Few years ago you had similar accusations - http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...russia-991743/

Just because 50% of 2+2 WSOP and EPT Marketplace was owed by your fund and there was no strong evidences topic was clueless. Now you're not investing anymore, and your defence is - it has something to do with politics. It dont.
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02-05-2014 , 12:49 PM
Last night in the 109 5k 6m on Merge the FT was 1troy1 and 5 russians.

If that isn't weird enough, all 5 accounts started playing on 11/19/2013.
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02-05-2014 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by McG_STL
Last night in the 109 5k 6m on Merge the FT was 1troy1 and 5 russians.

If that isn't weird enough, all 5 accounts started playing on 11/19/2013.
Could you please give more detail on that. Nicknames would be very helpful (probably best to use PM, instead of publicizing them here, for now). Thanks!
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02-05-2014 , 10:51 PM
McG_STL, this is probably the tournament you meant:

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02-06-2014 , 01:20 AM
looks like theres at least 1, probably 2, other accounts involved here

Spoiler:


inb4 you email merge and they respond with:

"Thank you for your concern. We will investigate the matter. Game security is very important to us.

We couldn't find any wrong doing. We thank you for choosing Merge Gaming."

Last edited by burnJa; 02-06-2014 at 01:23 AM. Reason: withered
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02-06-2014 , 03:13 AM
Wow
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02-06-2014 , 10:42 AM
Surprised this isn't getting more heat/responses
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02-06-2014 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by prayforsnow8
Surprised this isn't getting more heat/responses
+1 I think these last few posts about merge almost deserve their own thread. I'm posting this in the merge forums so that it gets some attention.
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02-06-2014 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by McG_STL
Last night in the 109 5k 6m on Merge the FT was 1troy1 and 5 russians.

If that isn't weird enough, all 5 accounts started playing on 11/19/2013.


I contacted management and this is being investigated by Merge Security right now.


--
Kahn
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02-06-2014 , 02:45 PM
That is ****ed up!!
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02-06-2014 , 02:52 PM
5 Russians at the final table that started playing on the same day. How in the hell did these five make the final is what i want to know? That would be pretty hard even if cheating is involved. Very sketchy. I Play the 7k and the the Nightly 33.10k. . Probably more and more of this we haven't caught.
Merge needs more tourney's anyway. They have completely fcked up with there structures now.
Stuff like this makes me not want to invest in High stakes tourneys again until they come out with better structures.
*Un1B0mb3r*
*AAsOnDeck87*
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02-06-2014 , 04:49 PM
Voted five stars.

Good job, bros.
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02-06-2014 , 05:12 PM
Considering this tourney prolly started with >27 players, having 5 accounts would make easier to FT by manipulating action and chip dumping

What I dont get is how these guy(s) can be smart enough to profitably pull this off, but be so dumb for making it this blatant.
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02-06-2014 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jordan Volz
5 Russians at the final table that started playing on the same day. How in the hell did these five make the final is what i want to know? That would be pretty hard even if cheating is involved. Very sketchy. I Play the 7k and the the Nightly 33.10k. . Probably more and more of this we haven't caught.
Merge needs more tourney's anyway. They have completely fcked up with there structures now.
Stuff like this makes me not want to invest in High stakes tourneys again until they come out with better structures.
*Un1B0mb3r*
*AAsOnDeck87*
wonder what kind of refund we'll be getting lol
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02-06-2014 , 05:22 PM
with the right odds, id bet merge doesn't ban these accounts
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02-06-2014 , 05:39 PM
that or new ones will spawn with no problem at all
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02-06-2014 , 05:48 PM
ya, and thats sad because after black friday i thought merge had alot of potential
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02-06-2014 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by burnJa
Considering this tourney prolly started with >27 players, having 5 accounts would make easier to FT by manipulating action and chip dumping

What I dont get is how these guy(s) can be smart enough to profitably pull this off, but be so dumb for making it this blatant.
Yeah, it wouldn't be hard at all to get all the accounts to the final table, especially when you can double the others up and just reenter. This tournament is a pretty small field almost the entire time.
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