Still 50bb tables?

ya 5/10 is 100bb tho

surely its been over 30 days by now UP has been up and running? so wheres the omaha additions and software fixes so when im acting on 1 table thats been waiting the longest, the other table im on wont be popping up wanting me to act? this cost me $20 yesterday, because i was in such a hurry to act before it folded me on the original table, i ended up calling instead of raising when my AK was obv ahead, and then got beat on the turn and ended up calling both turn and river, and i had no way to know i was then behind, but no way in hell does he call if i raise the flop.

We're not in any way sidestepping the issue. I don't know why you would say that.

I think Dax has been very clear that we haven't come to a conclusion on whether we will support HUDs or not. He did an interview with QuadJacks Radio where it's very clear we're still discussing the matter, and he canvassed people openly on Twitter.

Please ban HUDs. Thank you.

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Thanks for posting the link. I don't do twitter and was unaware of the discussion.

Poker is a game of decisions based on limited and imperfect information. Allowing a piece of software to compile and present additional information changes the game dramatically. If you want to 3bet me because you think I have been raising too much. Cool. If you want to 3bet me because your HUD says I folded to a 3bet 70% of the time over the last 1000 hands that you never saw. Not cool.

http://www.ultimatepoker.com/online-...summer-series/

Can someone at UP clarify this:

So the 2-28 places will have one freeroll satellite for 3 $1,100 seats to the Red Rock Ultimate Poker Challenge and 29-100 will have a separate freeroll for 3 seats?

Im not sure what you mean by "support" huds.

It is not a matter of support. Either players are allowed to use them, or UP believes that they confer an unfair advantage per the TOS, and they are not allowed.

"We'll decide whether it is cheating later" is an answer is an answer of sorts. But its a terrible one. Are you honestly saying that UP staff -- the people presumably running these games, are not capable of determining what is cheating and what is not, even with months to cogitate on the question.

i'd suggest to remove the word "unfair". you'd have to define exactly what fair vs unfair in relation to software, where there is lots and lots of gray area before getting into clearly black territory. you guys will be drowning in corner cases soon, with HUDs just being the foot in the door. but fair enough, either way it is trouble. there is no more or less of it no matter what you decide.

i'd say, force yourself to be creative, make it a game in itself. your players will love and support your fight to keep software assistance out of poker if you are outspoken about it. it will give you at least some room to maneuver. this may be better than having to play the defense for the time being.

my $0.02, gl

no huds are fine, but i wanna be able to import hands post session into some sort of software at least to evaluate my own play

also i cant wait till you have competition and have to release your vip program. ive paid $10k+ in rake and am pretty annoyed.

Correct

25+ Tokens are what we have in place until the VIP Program is released.

Scott

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I'm leaving for Vegas this weekend and I just tried to download the Ultimate Poker software.

Norton blocked and removed the download automatically.

This is what I got:



Any help would be appreciated.

I am sure you have already had this suggested but just incase I'm dieing to play a knockout bounty tournament haven't got to play one since pokerstars went down. I hope you guys have plans for this soon oh and you guys should implement a chop option for final table or in the money that can be used every time a person is knocked out so there is not annoying over use

Putting in a big 4th of July session right now, and have played maybe 8 sessions on UP now. A few major software issues that need to be addressed ASAP:

-Auto post being default checked/posting OOP.

-Bet slider is painful to use, also skips amounts i.e. going straight from minraise to 4xbb.

-Not being able to rebuy at all when account balance < min. I played 10/20 one day with $3800 in my account, got stacked for my first 2k, and couldn't rebuy. This is obviously silly.

-Ratholing - I got kicked off a 3/6 table where I had an ~$850 stack today, and when I came back on I was booted from the table and could only buy back in for 80-120

Those are all the major ones I think. Also when can we expect other games? I wanna play PLO and mix!

Just saw another commercial and noticed "deposit or cash out online or at any Station Casino". This could lead people to believe that they could just walk up to the cage and withdraw without the online approval process. Ambiguity continues.

I'm still perplexed by this. Why do so many live players want HUDs outlawed? It is just very strange to me. If you 1 and 2 tabling guys are paying attention, taking notes you are going to get way more information than an 8-16 tabling HUD user. The HUD is there to allow ppl to play more hands for multi tabling players while knowingly sacrificing key data. It is NOT an advantage over actually being able to watch all hands. MOST HUD users usually are quite frankly better than the 1-2 tabling public, they aren't beating you & making your life hell because of the HUD, it's because they are usually skilled players. They aren't winning because they are using some magic HUD with information nobody else has, the HUD just gives them an IDEA of what kind of player you are. When I'm playing live one table, I have 3x more reads and information by watching than I do when I'm using a HUD.

As far as Ultimate Poker standpoint. HUDs & good importable hand histories are a win win for you, more rake by ppl playing way more tables per person (duh) and it will encourage players to act as security liaisons to report cheaters & bots (through software analysis of played hands). If you want to be a real online poker site you HAVE to allow huds and have a valid hand history system that can be imported into software databases.

One of the biggest compliments stated by players right now is game quality. That will be lost if 16 tabling HUDbots populate the tables.

I played full time online for many years. I used all the available software because I had to. It was an arms race. As the games got tougher and tougher there was no way to compete without them because so many other players were using them. I personally don't want to go back to that.

The original PT and HM were breakthroughs that allowed you to analyze your own play like never before. The early HUDs barely provided enough info to be considered a threat. The level of sophistication and ease of use of the current technology is staggering. They are not trivial little tools that let you play more tables. They are powerful weapons that can turn an average player into a profitable leak exploiting bot.

What is becoming trivial is the software necessary to take the player completely out of the loop. HUD powered bots just look at the stats and cards, and make a decision. Why do I have to look and decide if I should steal those blinds or 3b/4b/5bet that player. Very simple software, with HUD data, can play perfectly for me PF. That allows me to play even more tables. It is not an unfair advantage. I could do it myself but looking at all those stats just slows me down. Sure, I can look at the board and a FoldtoCbet% and decide how much or if I should bet. But it is a simple decision tree and basic algebra. That is why I have a computer. Just beep if the hand gets to the turn. Turn cards are tricky. But with the time I am saving preflop I will get the code sorted soon enough.

this is what makes both so wrong in the interview. we are no longer talking some software for stats guys with some numbers to look at. nothing spectacular. we are talking about getting software legalized at the tables that will get closer and closer to being a bot with no clearly defined black/white area anywhere to be seen. automate away some rough edges, throw in a plugin here, integrate some service there. no layer being illegal on its own, nothing crossing the line ..unless you put it all together.

dax, your kung fu is old. what you are referring to is yesteryears technology. please talk to your software guys ..even if it may be hard to understand what they are saying, they are right.

I thought the exact same thing the wording in the commercial does make it sound like you can just walk up to the cage and cashout...

i agree. please ban HUD's.

How do you ban HUDs without taking away player's histories?