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11-19-2010 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jph0424
Not in my experience.
I don't know a single palyer that has a winrate of over 2 BB/100 in the 3/6 or 5/10 6max games At FT. But I know several players at Stars.
Likewise those good players I know play on both sites have a significant higher winrate at Stars than on FT.
No scientific proof exactly so you are free to prove me wrong.
11-19-2010 , 01:24 PM
The highest winrate on Stars 5/T of the guys who play 6max and have played at least 200k hands is 1.3BB/100. I don't really know who the HU guys on FT are so you would have to tell me the comparable number.
11-19-2010 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jph0424
The highest winrate on Stars 5/T of the guys who play 6max and have played at least 200k hands is 1.3BB/100. I don't really know who the HU guys on FT are so you would have to tell me the comparable number.
I don't have the spirit to go through the best winners list again since it costs me searches at PTR and takes a lot of time.
But I did go through the whole best winners list at both Stars and FT some months ago when I bought PTR premium.
At the time I looked for players with +100K hands. As I recall it there were almost no 3/6 winners +1.5 BB/100 at FT but several 2BB/100 winners at Stars.
At 5/10 the best winners at FT were around 1-1.5 BB/100 but there weren't that many of them.Stars had several between 1.5 BB-2 BB/100.

I have also noticed some 2+2:ers and coaches that have significantly lower winrate at FT compared to Stars.But the difference for them is suffering from sample issues.The interesting part were that this difference occurred at 3/6 and 5/10 but that it didn't exist at 10/20 and above.But again it was maybe 3-4 players that I checked and the samples weren't huge

I guess we can't settle this without someone taking the time to go through everything.But since the rake at 3/6 and 5/10 seems to be ~0.4 BB/100 less at Stars I think it is likely that my recollection is correct.
11-22-2010 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
Pretty sure that 27/21 isn't going to net anyone 2BB/100+. To play that tight you are bypassing a lot of thinly +EV spots. LOL at thinking that 2 to 3BB/100 is achievable to very many players at all. That's an elite winrate.
OP is playing 0.5 / $1 and I think a win rate of +2 BB/100 is quite achievable at this level.

But I agree that this win rate is 'elite' at stakes above this.
11-22-2010 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Apanage
I don't have the spirit to go through the best winners list again since it costs me searches at PTR and takes a lot of time.
But I did go through the whole best winners list at both Stars and FT some months ago when I bought PTR premium.
At the time I looked for players with +100K hands. As I recall it there were almost no 3/6 winners +1.5 BB/100 at FT but several 2BB/100 winners at Stars.
At 5/10 the best winners at FT were around 1-1.5 BB/100 but there weren't that many of them.Stars had several between 1.5 BB-2 BB/100.

I have also noticed some 2+2:ers and coaches that have significantly lower winrate at FT compared to Stars.But the difference for them is suffering from sample issues.The interesting part were that this difference occurred at 3/6 and 5/10 but that it didn't exist at 10/20 and above.But again it was maybe 3-4 players that I checked and the samples weren't huge

I guess we can't settle this without someone taking the time to go through everything.But since the rake at 3/6 and 5/10 seems to be ~0.4 BB/100 less at Stars I think it is likely that my recollection is correct.
i would guess the reason that stars has more players with 2 BB.100 winrates is simply a product of there being more tables to table select from and more of an ability to game start/bumhuny. I could be wrong, but I think there are a lot of players that could beat 5-10 and 10-20 for 2BB/100 if they wanted to, if they sat around waiting for the best games and the best seats. Personally, I know my winrate could be higher at these games, but it would likely cost me in the $/hr category which is all I really care about.

At stars, you can pass in games where you may have a .5BB expectation because of the chance of a better game coming about. You probably cant pass on the same games at full tilt, since nothing better may go.
11-22-2010 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by J_Locke
i would guess the reason that stars has more players with 2 BB.100 winrates is simply a product of there being more tables to table select from and more of an ability to game start/bumhuny. I could be wrong, but I think there are a lot of players that could beat 5-10 and 10-20 for 2BB/100 if they wanted to, if they sat around waiting for the best games and the best seats. Personally, I know my winrate could be higher at these games, but it would likely cost me in the $/hr category which is all I really care about.

At stars, you can pass in games where you may have a .5BB expectation because of the chance of a better game coming about. You probably cant pass on the same games at full tilt, since nothing better may go.
Agree with JL for the most part, also I think FTP has a higher aggression than Stars. I find the fish at Stars to be more LPs, where at FTP there are crazy aggro - but this could what you're saying with more tables and poor players to choose from.
11-22-2010 , 07:35 PM
I appreciate any comment on my stats. It is LHE 2/4 at Stars for this month






Some tips I think I should work on:

1. 3bet a bit more. May be up to 14
2. BB fold to steal now is at 52 (!!) Incredible high. I am usually confortable at a level of 45 which I know it is yet too high. How do you see the current winrate of -21.73 BB/100 on the Big Blind ?
3. Should be more showdownd bound. At 35.4 now would like to increase to 39 but I dont know the spots where I can do this.
4. River call eficiency 2.92. What does this mean ?
11-23-2010 , 03:25 AM
I'm examining my play and just wanted to make sure I am playing well from the blinds... What do you guys think are solid numbers for BB per hand from the small and big blinds. They are obv going to be negative numbers but was just curious what some of you guys think these numbers should be. You find the stat in poker tracker by clicking the positions tab, looking at the blind seats and checking the BB/hand column.
11-23-2010 , 05:02 PM
is anyone showing a profit while open raising KJo UTG at a full 6max table? My databas shows its a significant loser.
11-23-2010 , 05:40 PM
I actually stopped opening KJo UTG on most of the tables I play. I got in too many difficult decisions postflop and too many beats that send me on tilt...
11-23-2010 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ThisKid$Tough
is anyone showing a profit while open raising KJo UTG at a full 6max table? My databas shows its a significant loser.
I only have one database active which represents 1/6 th of my hands.I'm +32BB/100 over 230 hands.
I have a much worse winrate in my latest database so it is highly likely that I'm an even bigger winner in my other database.

I open very liberally from UTG.I open 22% and all those hands are winners in my database.
11-24-2010 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Apanage
I only have one database active which represents 1/6 th of my hands.I'm +32BB/100 over 230 hands.
I have a much worse winrate in my latest database so it is highly likely that I'm an even bigger winner in my other database.

I open very liberally from UTG.I open 22% and all those hands are winners in my database.
Do you always open KJo UTG or would you say that it's at the bottom of your UTG range so the makeup of the players on your left affect when you play it?

Basically I'm asking if your results are because KJo is profitable overall from UTG or is it that you are successful at making the right decision at when and when not to play it.
11-24-2010 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ThisKid$Tough
is anyone showing a profit while open raising KJo UTG at a full 6max table? My databas shows its a significant loser.
Not a big sample but this is what I have:


11-24-2010 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
Do you always open KJo UTG or would you say that it's at the bottom of your UTG range so the makeup of the players on your left affect when you play it?

Basically I'm asking if your results are because KJo is profitable overall from UTG or is it that you are successful at making the right decision at when and when not to play it.
I'm opening it a 100%. I open KTo also if I have reasonably tight players behind me. I think opening KJo is very standard from UTG.
I'm probably 28/20 in my opponents databases which means that they are probably folding too much to my UTG raises.Someone playing 35/25 would probably face more resistance.
11-26-2010 , 05:08 PM
Here is KJo, KTo, QJo, QTo and JTo UTG:



KJo by itself UTG:



Sample size issues with each individual hand, so really hard to tell which ones are profitable, but KJo seems like a no brainer.

Last edited by La Peste; 11-26-2010 at 05:14 PM.
11-27-2010 , 07:21 AM
I have a question regarding stats. What do you guys consider to be high and low when it comes to:

c-bet turn
c-bet river
c/r turn
fold to flop c-bet
fold to turn c-bet
fold to river c-bet

I have been checking out people's WTSD at PTR. There has been alot of talk about 40ish is optimal but when I filtered for SH games last months alot if not most people lies around 37-38. Any thoughts on this?
11-27-2010 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
Here is KJo, KTo, QJo, QTo and JTo UTG:


Wow I am a nit, QTo, JTo standard openers UTG?
11-27-2010 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kwealert
Wow I am a nit, QTo, JTo standard openers UTG?
most people fold them, so no not standard
11-27-2010 , 07:19 PM
In general I would never post less than a 10k sample size but @ 3k of straight single tabling I think we can get an ok enough of an idea to make it reasonable.

I have 56k hands of overall 6max play with 31k of it @ .25/.50 and a 1.68BB/100 WR with 80% of the hands being 12-14table MTTing, the other main limit is .25/.50 rush which is kind of the same animal but as we know its different and that is @ a .86BB/100 WR so I am a winning player but want to get a handle on any 1/2 issues asap. I am ok running a 3k breakeven stretch but we all always wanna win right

Thanks in advance





The only thing that really jumps out at me is my BB play. At one point I was running @ ~20 fold BB to steal so I was over-calling there and its probably around a range now in which is acceptable, and doesnt make me a target to regs to open their steal range and exploit me, though I could be quite wrong.

Also my Vpip in SB and BB is pretty much the same though my PFR is much higher from SB which is from me for some reason 3! to get HU vs a Btn steal but being passive once SB folds to a steal when I am in the BB

My WTSD seems a little high but nothing crazy as its only 1 higher than I have run @ lower limits which I thinks comes from being in more HU situations and SD light. My W$SD is down from my usual ~55 running rate but variance gonna variance.
11-27-2010 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GambleGamble
does this come with a microscope? my eyes are old.
11-27-2010 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
does this come with a microscope? my eyes are old.
click the bar above to resize and its readable, though I assume your post was sarcastic of course
11-27-2010 , 07:32 PM
believe me, i already did that. i refuse to change the resolution of my screen or buy a 30" monitor to look at it.
11-27-2010 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
believe me, i already did that. i refuse to change the resolution of my screen or buy a 30" monitor to look at it.
Im on a POS 2 year old Toshiba laptop with a normal screen and I can see it, but thanks for trying @ least. Never had complaints before
11-27-2010 , 07:36 PM
I also see it extremely small after clicking in the image
11-27-2010 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by zx9r
I also see it extremely small after clicking in the image
hmmm

Ill add this



and redo this, but it appears the same and I can see it so I am lost


      
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