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12-21-2010 , 09:03 PM

#2651

reaper6788

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,860

ok so you won't redo it. Care to talk about any examples of situations that you feel the "raise raise drive up rake and force fish to play better" mentality is making us lose money.

12-21-2010 , 09:58 PM

#2652

Ixiterra

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,067

Like I said, I am not going to bother. I've talked about it before and have only been ridiculed for it. The rake at 2/4 in 2005/6 in BB/100 was less than it is now, and that was with about a 10% higher average table VP$IP.

12-22-2010 , 08:18 AM

#2653

Verde

grinder

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 430

5 handed my WTSD is 43.3 and my W$SD% is 50.2 for 102 236 hands : BB/100 0,72
4 handed my WTSD is 43,3 and W$SD% is 49.32 for 61717 hands : BB/100 -1,75

1. What is the most likely reason for not having a bigger win rate when the wtsd and w$sd numbers looks so good? Is it just a sample size issue?

2. My WTSD doesn't change much from 5 handed to HU, is this necessarily a leak?

12-22-2010 , 08:55 AM

#2654

kikadell

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10,046

177503,

according to this chart, ur hourly is $54/hr

$23500 for 300k vpp's, + $7656 poker winnings / 575 hrs

12-22-2010 , 11:22 AM

#2655

Aspencer

journeyman

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 240

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ixiterra

I've posted some of this stuff before in this thread, but I believe it pays to be passive at 1/2 and lower.

sorry for the pt2 screenshots, but I'm not re-doing them

Am I reading the stats right, VP$P from SB is 44...is that high or should I be playing more from the SB like I have learned to play more from the BB.

12-28-2010 , 07:35 AM

#2656

kikadell

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10,046

VPIP: 29.6%
PFR: 21%
3bet: 12.6%
WTSD: 41.9%
W$SD: 49.6%
AGG: 1.8
AGG%: 52.9%

can u tell from these numbers if im horrible or not?

lost 0.67BB/100 this month, 53k hands

edit: last 128k hands

VPIP: 31.3%
PFR: 22%
3bet: 12.9%
WTSD: 42.2%
W$SD: 48.8%
AGG: 1.8
AGG%: 52.4%

-0.22BB/100

Last edited by kikadell; 12-28-2010 at 07:40 AM. Reason: 3/6, ftp + stars, the 52k hands is stars 3/6 only

12-28-2010 , 08:41 AM

#2657

Dredok

grinder

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 548

kikadell, you know your numbers are std for a winner and you know numbers dont tell anything actually

12-28-2010 , 09:19 AM

#2658

PaiDaMorte

adept

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 716

i would try to be less agressive. Not much less, only a litle bit.

The other factor that come around is your W$SD. its a litle under what i expected to be the right number, but the wtsd its actually the exact number that i was expecting. probably running bad or you are choosing the wrong spots to calldown.

but as allready pointed out, numbers means allmost nothing

12-28-2010 , 09:34 AM

#2659

kikadell

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10,046

ok then what numbers should i post?

i just want to know if im terrible and should move down

12-28-2010 , 09:52 AM

#2660

kwealert

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,506

What about posting your positional stats and your fold BB/SB to steal stats? It looks like you could be a touch more aggressive, your AFQ is pretty close to the minimum, imo.

As Pai said, it looks like you could be running bad or calling down in the wrong spots.

12-28-2010 , 05:34 PM

#2661

Leader

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11,677

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaiDaMorte

you are choosing the wrong spots to calldown.

It's this one. In a sample this large, the standard deviation of W$SD is .3%-.4%. 42% WtSD should yield >50% W$SD. So he's at least 3 standard deviations out. So it's about 1.5/1000 that this is only variance.

12-28-2010 , 05:44 PM

#2662

Dredok

grinder

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 548

42% wtsd should hield > 50% W$SD ? really?

i guess you are taking into account their other stats (obv) i would be glad to see how did you get that conclussion since its quite interesting ... (btw i've never been > 50% W$SD)

12-28-2010 , 06:18 PM

#2663

maobing

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 45

Hi, how do you think these stats look? Thanks!

Edit: Just realized that the last time I posted my stats was exactly one year and 22 minutes before this post. Totally had no idea, pretty scary if u ask me..

Last edited by maobing; 12-28-2010 at 06:46 PM.

12-28-2010 , 06:44 PM

#2664

kikadell

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10,046

ok, so are there any stats i can post that would indicate which spots i should'nt call down?

12-28-2010 , 07:59 PM

#2665

Dredok

grinder

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 548

Quote:

Originally Posted by kikadell

ok, so are there any stats i can post that would indicate which spots i should'nt call down?

i guess there arent besides W$SD and WTSD ...

12-28-2010 , 08:39 PM

#2666

erizos17

adept

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,033

How do you guys think? Lol stakes i know but you gotta start somewhere.

Last edited by erizos17; 12-28-2010 at 08:42 PM. Reason: ummm what do you guys think lol

12-29-2010 , 05:26 AM

#2667

Dredok

grinder

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 548

erizos17: you aren't positional aware ... should be tighter in EP and looser in LP

12-29-2010 , 09:53 AM

#2668

RobA

adept

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 857

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leader

Leader - I really want to understand what you are saying here.

Are you saying that 42% wtsd should be able to yield greater than 50% w$sd if you are picking the right spots to call down?

And, if thats what your saying, then, for example, what should 35% wtsd yield for w$sd? And what is the max wtsd that has been shown to yield greater than 50% w$sd?

Thank you for your thoughts,
rob

12-29-2010 , 02:11 PM

#2669

erizos17

adept

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,033

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dredok

erizos17: you aren't positional aware ... should be tighter in EP and looser in LP

Yeah i kinda knew that but what are you suggesting? What should my vpip be on the button, UTG or blinds?

12-29-2010 , 02:16 PM

#2670

Dredok

grinder

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 548

Quote:

Originally Posted by erizos17

Yeah i kinda knew that but what are you suggesting? What should my vpip be on the button, UTG or blinds?

as i said, open your range in late and close a bit in EP ... i dont know what would works on those stakes but an overall around of 3x/2x/1x should be ok i guess

numbers aren't important, i dont like targetting a number...

12-29-2010 , 03:22 PM

#2671

erizos17

adept

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,033

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dredok

got you. thanks a lot.

12-29-2010 , 10:42 PM

#2672

Leader

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11,677

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobA

I was speaking mostly from experience looking at stats. I suppose you could think of it analytically through. I'm 41/52. So if I was to SD 42% and lose all additional SD's, my W$SD would be (.41*.52 + .01*0)/.42=.507619