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12-05-2010 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
Is it wrong to do this in a hand where I was folding if my opponent bet and he has shown strength and I see he is timing out (on FTP) and I autobet when he times out and checks, because it instafolds for them...
This I do as well cause I figure people will do it to me when I disconnect so it evens out. In some of these cases you would have bet/raised as a bluff anyways so it would be unfair for his disconnect to force you to check where you think you had a profitable bluff.

But most importantly, you were already playing a legit hand. You didn't try to generate the situation in any way. And in some cases you actually have the nuts and the disconnect is helping your opponent and hurting you.

What Stickman does is actively trying to create a very abusive situation that's completely unilateral. He's basically stealing your money.
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12-05-2010 , 03:11 AM
I am so grateful I never started smoking.
12-05-2010 , 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by kwealert
I am so grateful I never started smoking.
Smoking is great, nothing better than hearing the burn of the tobacco. Plus it makes you look pretty damn cool. And smoking cigs after smoking trees is AWESUM.

Last edited by DrElo; 12-05-2010 at 03:18 AM. Reason: new fave word
12-05-2010 , 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DrElo
Regardless, I still can't find a way to hate him. Not positive why, I think maybe I identify with his (apparent) hatred of this deification of etiquette/ethics ... or I'm just an *******.
I used to think he was just doing everything in his power to be +EV but then he made this supremely arrogant post to try to defend his actions where he basically said that the rest of the players "can't possibly fathom what he's doing".

After that I hated him.
12-05-2010 , 03:20 AM
12-05-2010 , 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
Lol wat? In that case I have a proposition for you. Let's play huhu 500/1k but I get all the buttons, mkay?


Etiquette is a set of unspoken rules of behavior that people gravitate towards for the benefit of the whole group. WTF is dumb about that?

And you forgot the scummiest thing stickman does. If he notices a reg timing out he'll instasit at all his tables in the hopes that he gets his blind for free.

I think there's more scummy stuff he does but I don't really play much with him so I forget what exactly.
uh, yeah, if you get all the buttons, you will crush, but if you get 50.2% of the buttons over 500k hands is it that big of a deal?

Ugh I know I shouldn't get into this but it seems to me like it's that reg's fault that stick is getting those blinds, if you're away from your computer or unable to play for some reason you shouldn't be sitting in, amiright? Stick is just exploiting people's dumbness, which is like the whole point of poker, shouldn't he be ... applauded?
12-05-2010 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
I used to think he was just doing everything in his power to be +EV but then he made this supremely arrogant post to try to defend his actions where he basically said that the rest of the players "can't possibly fathom what he's doing".

After that I hated him.
oh I know that post, after thinking about it I thought he was just saying there were reasons for some things that he couldn't really expand on on 2p2, maybe you are right, in any case it made me lol, which seems different from your reaction

Last edited by DrElo; 12-05-2010 at 03:29 AM. Reason: GODDAMNIT WHY AM I ALWAYS DEFENDING THINGS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE HATES??
12-05-2010 , 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by sledghammer
http://www.blucigs.com

This is the only one I've tried. It heats the air so you get that burn of a cigarette, has a USB charger, and other features. Works pretty well, although it obviously won't be the same.
i have these. when i first got them, i thought they were the coolest things ever. i think i posted about in the lc thread too... anyway, they are great in a pinch, and if i were a hard core cigarette smoker wanting to quit id for sure use them. i prefer the menthol (even tho i hate realy menthols)... but i got kind of tired of them and dont use em much anymore
12-05-2010 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DrElo
uh, yeah, if you get all the buttons, you will crush, but if you get 50.2% of the buttons over 500k hands is it that big of a deal?

Ugh I know I shouldn't get into this but it seems to me like it's that reg's fault that stick is getting those blinds, if you're away from your computer or unable to play for some reason you shouldn't be sitting in, amiright? Stick is just exploiting people's dumbness, which is like the whole point of poker, shouldn't he be ... applauded?
It's not stupidity, it's just forgetfulness.

I don't want to get into a big philosophy or morality argument, but no he shouldn't be applauded. I would equate it with leaving your wallet on a train station bench.

Sure, it's your fault that you forgot your wallet or accidentally dropped it there. But the person who takes it and doesn't return it is still stealing.

There are also other reasons for timing out than not being at the table, like connection issues.
12-05-2010 , 03:42 AM
The moral of the story, Elo has a crush on stick.
12-05-2010 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
It's not stupidity, it's just forgetfulness.

I don't want to get into a big philosophy or morality argument, but no he shouldn't be applauded. I would equate it with leaving your wallet on a train station bench.

Sure, it's your fault that you forgot your wallet or accidentally dropped it there. But the person who takes it and doesn't return it is still stealing.

There are also other reasons for timing out than not being at the table, like connection issues.
Yeah, have no desire to get into that argument either, so I'll just say I think that analogy is invalid. And also that my argument could be extended to connection issues (have a backup!), but that's hairier, and when people disconnect against me I wait forever and will generally just check it down if I am friendly with the villain, so whatever.

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Originally Posted by All Apologies
The moral of the story, Elo has a crush on stick.
I mean, it's just that he gets SO MUCH **** for doing things that I see some other people do, and those people never get any ****. And yeah, I know those people don't do ALL of the things st1ck does, but still. This is an individual game, and as far as I know he's not outwardly cheating or breaking the sites' ToS or anything.
12-05-2010 , 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DrElo

I mean, it's just that he gets SO MUCH **** for doing things that I see some other people do, and those people never get any ****. And yeah, I know those people don't do ALL of the things st1ck does, but still. This is an individual game, and as far as I know he's not outwardly cheating or breaking the sites' ToS or anything.
You can cut the sexual tension with a knife ITT!

Last edited by All Apologies; 12-05-2010 at 03:53 AM. Reason: Just playing with you Elo :p
12-05-2010 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
And in some cases you actually have the nuts and the disconnect is helping your opponent and hurting you.
Timebank ldo

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What Stickman does is actively trying to create a very abusive situation that's completely unilateral. He's basically stealing your money.
I wasn't comparing that to what st1ck is accused of. It just reminded me of something that I do that I have 0 remorse for, and wanted feedback.

Thanks.
12-05-2010 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
It's not stupidity, it's just forgetfulness.

I don't want to get into a big philosophy or morality argument, but no he shouldn't be applauded. I would equate it with leaving your wallet on a train station bench.

Sure, it's your fault that you forgot your wallet or accidentally dropped it there. But the person who takes it and doesn't return it is still stealing.

There are also other reasons for timing out than not being at the table, like connection issues.
Why can't he just sit at less tables by himself waiting for action? Why would he sit at more than one table waiting for action anyway? Because he's trying to sit at enough tables to get a good chance of catching a random fish, right? Of course if you sit at too many tables, to exploit the random fish, you open yourself up for exploitation by regulars.
12-05-2010 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by skillgambler
*nods*

was out at a santa pub crawl with like 1000 santas running around and some jack**** decides to streak thru the entire bar
12-05-2010 , 05:15 AM
Does that mean you take a part time job as a Santa to supplement your 1/2 winnings?
12-05-2010 , 05:16 AM
LOL, Daiq and I combine for more than 25% of the posts ITT
12-05-2010 , 05:20 AM
elo and hammer,

you guys are just so incredibly wrong, but I'm lazy and don't wanna go into rant mode so let's just agree to disagree.

Last edited by Wolfram; 12-05-2010 at 05:26 AM. Reason: the game is called "poker" not "lobby wars 2010"
12-05-2010 , 05:27 AM
lol wolfram I don't really disagree with you but you can't just tell someone "LOL YOU ARE SO WRONG ABOUT THIS. Let's just drop it though"

You're basically telling them "I don't mind getting the last word in and letting you concede you are incorrect, so let's just change the subject."

imo if you want to drop something just don't respond

personally I want to see this turn in to WWIII Pawnee vs Iceland
12-05-2010 , 05:51 AM
if I add "imo" at the end, does that make it ok?

All I'm saying is I think they're wrong, they think I'm wrong, and I don't want to spend the day writing dozens of posts that will probably never result in anyone changing their minds.
12-05-2010 , 05:54 AM
pawnee is fake
12-05-2010 , 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
LOL, Daiq and I combine for more than 25% of the posts ITT
yes, and all those posts suck
12-05-2010 , 07:19 AM
WHY I NEVER ****** GET TO WIN TOURNEYS....


Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1500/t3000 Blinds + t300 - 9 players
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UTG: t48038 M = 6.67
UTG+1: t4442 M = 0.62
Hero (UTG+2): t4200 M = 0.58
MP1: t27025 M = 3.75
MP2: t15150 M = 2.10
CO: t58825 M = 8.17
BTN: t36432 M = 5.06
SB: t13100 M = 1.82
BB: t20818 M = 2.89

Pre Flop: (t7200) Hero is UTG+2 with Q Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t4142 all in, Hero calls t3900 all in, 6 folds

Flop: (t15000) 7 J 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t15000) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t15000) T (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t15000
UTG+1 shows 7 A (three of a kind, Sevens)
Hero shows Q Q (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
UTG+1 wins t15000
12-05-2010 , 07:29 AM
yes we all wanna know what kind of sick beats happen to u in 8 dollar donkaments when u have an M of .58 (and villain .62)

Last edited by skillgambler; 12-05-2010 at 07:29 AM. Reason: ban that pope. also move all his donkament bad beat posts to the donkament forum
12-05-2010 , 07:32 AM
Donkaments are ******ed. Stop playing them
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