Wow, going back it turns out that the way everyone else read it was the way it was plainly written.

Shocking. Now if you could do the same over the whole Ali thing there might be some progress in your posting.

How come nobody talks about gun control for the government when government is the enemy of the people here and everywhere? And has all the big weapons they have.

I understand weapons are way different than they were in the 1700's, but shouldn't we be arguing for the government to go back to muskets first? I'm all for no AR-15's if we disarm the govt of all their AR-15's first.

Is that a problem?

I think it is pretty dumb to listen to the government about firearms when the government isn't giving theirs up.

Lavoy! How is life beyond the grave?

No counterpoint just name calling. Sweet.

Counterpoint: lol, Lavoy, at the government is the enemy of the people here and everywhere.

Well even if we pretend hundreds of millions haven't been killed by governments...

Or ignore brilliant people like Jefferson who said govt is the enemy of the people...

Doesn't it make sense JUST on its face for government to give up all their automatic big boy weapons before telling us we should?

I doubt you own a semi automatic weapon... But if you did... Wouldn't you get rid of yours first before telling others to get rid of theirs?

Again, I'm not against gun control if the government draws down as well, but why is it one sided? And why is the entity saying we should give up ours not giving up theirs?

Let'sgambool why aren't you for gun control for the government also?

Uh, I'm not for gun bans for non government people! I'm for better tracking of guns, stronger background checks, strong laws with real teeth for safe storage of guns and reporting of stolen guns, and a mechanism for getting guns away from the mentally ill. I'm just not a Bundy like anti government nutjob (which is why I won't follow Lavoys lead and commit suicide by cop).

Also, uhhhh, unless you think you should be allowed or will own tanks and rocket launchers and stuff, firepower superiority isn't going to be a big problem for the never to come day that the new world order takes over or whatever. Gun fetishistd are lol but I wouldn't ban them outright, just continue to lol at the Bundy crowd (I mean didn't that idiot go to an airport after pulling his stunt and remaining alive only though the benevolence and restraint of the Federal government. Just massive lol at that whole culture.

no. "government" means the entity with a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence. That's the very basical political science definition. An unarmed government is a contradiction in terms.

Why? It isn't tax paying legal gun owning citizens that are killing people.

I mean... You think if Chicago just had even stronger background checks and make gun owners get an extra costly permission slip or two would On top of the already costly permission slips they are required to get....... Would mean that all the killings and shootings will be drastically reduced?

What would you guess is the % of all gun shootings that happen in Chicago are perpetrated by legal FOID card owning CCL individuals?

I didn't say unarm the government. I said gun control for government. If the government wants us to have muskets and pistols and no AR-15's....... Well they should lead by example. As long as govt has AR-15's then citizens should have AR-15's.

Should we have tanks and nukes in your estimation?

First, I'm all for non discrimination and allowing transgendered people to use whichever restroom makes them more comfortable (or less uncomfortable). But...

I'm not concerned about a transgender person peaking at someone's genitals, but I am concerned that there will be a fair amount of perverted males saying they identify as a woman to gain access to women's locker rooms.

I see no problem with bathrooms. Women restrooms have stalls. Guy's have urinals + stalls. So what...

But hey, I'm not gonna lie... I'd love to be able to follow some of the women at my gym into the shower. I wouldn't go so far as to call myself transgender to do it, but I'm sure there are perverts who would (I'll admit to being a perv when it comes to smoking hot women, but not to the point of ever doing something criminal). How do you stop that? Or am I not understanding how it would work?

There are ways to neutralize tanks. You don't need tanks to fight tanks.

There are several known gender identity conditions that cause the persons gender identity to change day by day.

There are ways to neutralize ar-15s without ar-15s. Why does your example not hold?

Sure, it's possible. But I will feel a lot more comfortable with my AK-47 Mini Draco than a revolver.

If a few tanks come rolling down my neighborhood I'm not going to be thinking ****ing founding fathers such idiots for not giving us the right to own tanks.

In your fantasy, which country do these tanks belong to?

Please god the U.N.

This is what you keep in your house?



Where do you live that you think that you need a gun like that?

Communist Chicago

First let me say that I agree w/ LetsGambool's opinion a bit upthread. I don't want to take away ppl's right to have guns but let's be reasonable, such as getting rid of the gun show loophole and the other things he mentioned.

I live in Metro-Phoenix and it was a real head shaker when I saw my first gun shop (having moved from the NYC area where that would be unthinkable) a couple of stores down from the supermarket (btw, I might be the only one on my block w/o a gun). I've gone to the gun ranges, considered buying one but I don't need it bec if somebody breaks in in the middle of the night it's likely I won't be able to get it out of the lock box.

But I do understand what I'll call the 'hobby' of gun collecting. Some of them are actually like little sculptures, they are that well made. OK, ppl want to spend money on many pistols, that thing you have, a shotgun and rifle all of them almost certainly never to be used in self defense, nm 'lol, the government has even bigger guns so I need mine' I get it. It's not for me but I get it.

One thing that I wish the gun rights ppl would drop, though, is the dumb 'Chicago has the strictest gun laws but these criminals have guns anyway' line. It's super easy to get a gun in another state and bring it to Chicago, which is clearly what's happening. Some sort of sanity has to be brought to the gun rights debate.

Way to be a stereotype.

I didn't buy this gun for a typical home break in. I bought it for when we have civil unrest.

To your second paragraph...of course that's what happening... It's what I did.

So what's the point of the strict gun laws in the first place? How many of the like 900 shootings this year so far in Chicago were perpetuated by tax-paying citizens with a 9-5 job? People who own a home, have a job, and follow the law, and are civilized people aren't going to go and start shooting people if a FOID card isn't required and Illinois becomes a constitutional carry state like Arizona. It's still illegal to shoot someone whether you bought your gun just showing your ID in Arizona or jumping through 18 different hoops and paying 8 different fees in Illinois.

Are you scared your neighbors are going to start shooting you when you walk your dog down the street?

Paranoid about the UN [x]
fantasizes about shooting (black) people in "civil unrest" [x]

Almost got a bingo!