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02-11-2015 , 02:06 PM

#176

DiegoArmando

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chytry

The new gvnmt doesn't want to continue reforming the country. In fact it promised a socialist paradise. Why should anybody give them money for that?
They would be funded if they continued with the reforms.

Not when 'reform' actually means sell the country's assets to greedy corporations. There's nothing else reformatory about it.

02-11-2015 , 02:11 PM

#177

DiegoArmando

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

just as the UK takes some political responsibility for high unemployment in any part of the UK. We don't just wash our hands.

I don't wish to go off topic, and I'm sure we've enjoyed enough cross words by now, plus I agree with some of your position on this, but seriously?

Stop taking the high and mighty position of the British establishment. It's not high and it's not that mighty either.

02-11-2015 , 02:32 PM

#178

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DiegoArmando

I don't wish to go off topic, and I'm sure we've enjoyed enough cross words by now, plus I agree with some of your position on this, but seriously?

I'm not suggesting it's always done well but no-one is ever going to say it's not a joint political responsibility.

Quote:

Stop taking the high and mighty position of the British establishment. It's not high and it's not that mighty either.

This is nothing to do with the British establishment. It's to do with whether we politically say it's not our problem.

02-11-2015 , 03:44 PM

#179

Zeno

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For some interesting charts and numbers see link below, especially the Eurozone GDP vs The Mad Greeks:

[The Mad Greeks Vs. The Rest of Euro Area Trash]

Youth Unemployment rate Europe:

Youth unemployment Eurotrash Zone]

A generation of young people are being tossed into the trash and this has been going on for at least the last five years and in not just Greece but Spain, Portugal, Italy, eastern European countries, and even France.

Nothing can save Europe from itself, except Putin; Tsar of Russian.

Last edited by Zeno; 02-11-2015 at 03:50 PM.

02-11-2015 , 04:40 PM

#180

jjshabado

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Diego, I don't think I have much else to say to you. It's clear we don't agree on the basic facts of many situations.

02-11-2015 , 06:36 PM

#181

Anacardo

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Well, he's right and you're wrong, so there's that.

02-11-2015 , 06:55 PM

#182

jjshabado

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Why don't you focus on giving me a source for the thing I should know about 9/11 before trying to pick a new fight?

02-11-2015 , 06:59 PM

#183

Anacardo

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Let's try to keep threads coherent threads and keep our boyshorts out of a bunch, Mr. Moderator.

02-11-2015 , 08:54 PM

#184

BrianTheMick2

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Originally Posted by DiegoArmando

It's a false economy.

There is no such thing in the universe as a "false economy."

02-11-2015 , 09:01 PM

#185

BrianTheMick2

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

I know at least one of us holds that opinion as well. Not the same use of 'screwed' though.

We're talking screwed and screwed, or screwed and treated fairly/generously, or screwed and defaulted.

I meant screwed in the sitting on a pineapple sort of way.

I highly doubt that the two people's will work things out. Both have a strong history/culture of doing things on rigid principle alone, and at best they will kick the can down the road pretending that their principles are intact. Therefore screwed in the other manner as well.

02-12-2015 , 10:55 AM

#186

DiegoArmando

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

There is no such thing in the universe as a "false economy."

i should have said 'it's false economy', which it is.

02-12-2015 , 11:01 AM

#187

DiegoArmando

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

Diego, I don't think I have much else to say to you. It's clear we don't agree on the basic facts of many situations.

it's clear you're not really sure what a 'fact' is.

To be fair, it seems to me like we're going round in circles. You're ignoring very relevant points in the situation, reducing it to 'they got an amazing deal on their money so they should pay it back'.

Until you can see it for what it actually is, aye, not much more to say on the matter.

02-12-2015 , 12:30 PM

#188

Imaginary F(r)iend

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Originally Posted by Zeno

Nothing can save Europe from itself, except Putin; Tsar of Russian.

Posting this kind of **** might seem cool or edgy to you, but it makes you look like an *******.

Currently Greece wants more money but doesn't want to pay out its current loans under given conditions. The patience is running very thin.

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02-12-2015 , 02:28 PM

#189

LetsGambool

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Greece is still privatizing their Piraeus port. Prepare for more kick the can/changes at the margin.

02-12-2015 , 02:51 PM

#190

jjshabado

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I heard the Piraeus port was priceless so that should take care of the debt problem nicely.

02-12-2015 , 04:10 PM

#191

DiegoArmando

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dont make me hate you

02-13-2015 , 08:44 PM

#192

BrianTheMick2

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Originally Posted by DiegoArmando

i should have said 'it's false economy', which it is.

There is also no such thing as a false economy with the word "it's" in front of it in the universe.

02-13-2015 , 08:57 PM

#193

BrianTheMick2

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Originally Posted by Imaginary F(r)iend

You will feel better about it once Spring arrives.

02-14-2015 , 08:29 AM

#194

chytry

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

I heard the Piraeus port was priceless so that should take care of the debt problem nicely.

:-)

02-17-2015 , 03:32 PM

#195

LetsGambool

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Greece is supposedly going to ask for an extension of the current loan agreement, which will kick the can and give both parties time to dress up the status quo as something other than the status quo.

02-20-2015 , 04:30 PM

#196

chezlaw

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can successfully kicked for 4 months

platform being prepared to launch a big kick

02-20-2015 , 04:41 PM

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JiggsCasey

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chez... underneath all your "nothing to see here" schtick... do you seriously believe Europe's economic vitality is solid? On a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate the EU right now? And then, how about in 10 years?

02-20-2015 , 04:42 PM

#198

BrianTheMick2

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

can successfully kicked for 4 months

platform being prepared to launch a big kick

I guess Greece shouldn't have used a clown car to play chicken with.

02-20-2015 , 05:00 PM

#199

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey

? plenty to see here. EU/Euro is one of the most fascinating and richly complex political phenomena in my lifetime.

viable as in 'will persist into the future' - close to 100%. Same answer in 10 years. Not just viable, the EU is massive in all respects and will become more so.

you should still expect a lot more can kicking. The interesting bit is in the political and fiscal union developments plus from my own pov what the UK will do.

02-20-2015 , 05:07 PM

#200

JiggsCasey

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

? plenty to see here. EU/Euro is one of the most fascinating and richly complex political phenomena in my lifetime.

viable as in 'will persist into the future' - close to 100%. Same answer in 10 years. Not just viable, the EU is massive in all respects and will become more so.

you should still expect a lot more can kicking. The interesting bit is in the political and fiscal union developments plus from my own pov what the UK will do.

Well, you seem to have misread what I wrote. I think I know the answer you're going to provide after that glowing response.

but the word was "vitality," not viability... so I ask again: please rate the EU's vitality... now, and again for what you see for 2025? Do you truly see the health of the EU, currently, as a perfect 10?

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