lol @ Jiggs asking for predictions.

You wrote that he has some sort of "nothing to see here" shtick.

Once he saw that, you can't really expect him to read the rest closely.

it's interesting that someone like you would come deepthroat for his cause... oh, algaeoil. You're adorable.

chez can answer for himself, thank you. And I doubt he'll use that lazy excuse.

Have to admire the effort, probably going to get close to the max as well.

"Arriving for the Eurogroup meeting, Mr Varoufakis said he hoped there would be a deal struck on Friday.

"The Greek government has not just gone the extra mile, but the extra 10 miles, and now we are expecting our partners not to meet us halfway, but a fifth of the way"
It will be interesting to see how the Greek people react to the climb down and whatever gets cobbled together.

and like I did, I hope he responds.

You'll notice I kept it vague, so as to simply gauge his optimism for the European Union. I didn't troll for a long, specific narrative to poke holes in, like you did of me.

Sorry I did misread.

I'm not sure how to rate vitality but it's certainly not getting a perfect 10 from me for anything, it's a shambolic mess staggering along.

In 10 years it will still be staggering along, I'd guess a slightly less shambolic mess, more like a drunk grabbing at lampposts along the way.

The lazy excuse of you getting his position almost exactly the opposite of what it is?

What is your assessment of the VITALITY of the Eurozone today and 10 years from now?

Do you agree with Chez that the patient has sufficient VITALITY to survive as a VIABLE entity and more so to actually GROW over the next 10 years?

ok, that's more realistic than I might have expected...

still, can you humor me and provide the two numbers?

Poor mad algaeoil. ... No, the "exact opposite" would be my position. As we've established. His is somewhere in the middle.

Today? Scale to 10? I'd give it about 3 to 4... Ten Years? 0 to 2.

No. I don't.

I'm not sure why you had me wrong on this. When we discussed this at length before I didn't disagree with you much on how big the mess was just on how it would be handled. We have a disagreement about the political reality/will/mood more than the finances and structural problems.

I'm not trying to be awkward but I have no idea how to put numbers on vitality.

The effort was amazing, really. It isn't like the rest of the players don't know that you can fit the economy of Greece into a shoebox.

Given the recent pro-government protests* in Greece, I will be watching with baited breath.

FWIW, I did watch the press conference, but it was relatively uninformative because so many of the participants spoke foreign.

*a phrase I would have never imagined would be uttered.

He also believes that I think that algae-to-oil is the answer to the world's energy problems.

Wrong. I believe that when I reminded the cornucopian thread in question that using algae to make "oil" isn't relevant, was utter logistical nonsense and a relative energy sink, you had a hissy fit and went on a laughable tirade about how it's so promising provided the investment and the time is there. It's so emblematic of the entire "no problem" contingent here. Short on reality, long on warm dreams.

That's why I enjoy calling you algaeoil. Get it right.

I remember the exchange. And I remember the aspects you cited.

For 2025?

It's just a hypothetical scale of 1 to 10... There's no wrong answer here. Besides maybe a perfect 10.

Let's pretend "9-10" is a return to vibrant growth prospects (say, over 3.5% again?) for most member nations... Austerity talk effectively wiped away for all member nations. ... Relative peace and harmony again with Russia for all the glorious natural gas it provides its Western neighbors.

0-2 can be... well... at least one member nation leaving. ... At least one sovereign default somewhere within the ranks. Worse relations with Russia than exist even today.

Ummmm, no. I said that tossing money at research is something that I approve of and made fun of you not knowing the theoretical maximum efficiency of such systems. Ya know, because we all know that in 1945 that cars get 5 mpg.

I also approve of particle colliders looking for evidence of the Jiggs Boson, BTW.

Lol. A reasonable person would put that as at least a 5.

Do you think that people are ridiculous if they drive faster than 5mph on highways?

This is where its confusing talking to Jiggs. He won't give real predictions and so when he says something like EU vitality will be a 0-2 in 10 years most people assume things along the lines of world wars, Hitler like fascism, millions in refugee camps, etc.

"theoretical maximum efficiency" ... lol

In other words, yes... Fundamentally what I said. Just sugarcoated a whole lot, while still ignoring the logistical bottlenecks of turning algae into fuel. Oh, algaeoil.

Apples to oranges much?

... cept for when he does, and it's not "real" enough for someone demanding the exact final score. ...

That would be 0, for sure, considering we theoretically can't go into the negative. But it is amusing watching you admit you create baseless straw men, because it's what you "need" to do.

0 - millions dying
2 - Greece leaving the EU and going broke
10 - The second coming of Christ, everyone's forgiven, the EU becomes Heaven on Earth.

Something within a couple of years, or within a standard deviation would be fine.

Since "local low" was unknown to you as a concept, I will point out that standard deviation has nothing to do with sex.

Really? You can't theoretically create a scale that has numbers below zero? I guess water doesn't freeze in countries that use the Fahrenheit scale. Who knew?!?

Thank you for educating us.

Oh, Super Cycle Algae... Why am I not surprised that a simple challenge that literally asked for a harmless rating on a scale of 1 to 10 would turn into semantics, and not an actual answer.

You're an excellent press secretary for chez however.

I set the parameters for what I mean in MY exchange with chez... Your fraud-laden noise isn't needed, troll mod. Thanks tho.

I have it on good word that in his press conference that he will state 4.8354 and give no other specifications. Markets worldwide will crash.

Personally, I think that 4.85 is probably more correct.

I know, right? Who would have thought that we'd have to define the meaning of your arbitrary Hitler-Jesus scale?