hey everybody, why do you think Asians living in the US have been able to overcome white privilege?

You always deliver LA, thank you sir.

I once heard Chris Rock explain why it's ok for black people to use the "n" word but not whites. He said that is analogous to the difference between you verbally disciplining your child and a total stranger disciplining your child.

I think that when black people use it it is assumed as a term of endearment or just as recognition of being of the same group. When white people use it as a term of endearment it can easily sound like mocking the systematic enslavement, rape, murder and cultural degradation perpetrated by whites on blacks for so many years. So any white person using it should be smacked in the mouth.

I wouldn't take Riley Cooper's salary to be Riley Cooper this year.

Maybe because they weren't shot in the kneecaps with a shotgun before the competition began. You think that however many years of enslavement, rape, torture etc doesn't leave a mark?

There were cultural adaptations to slavery. Why do you think our first black president had an African father? There are many African Americans with African American father's and not too many with fathers from actual Africa. Could it be that Barrack Obama, growing up away from mainland racism and without an African American father was perhaps unencumbered by all that baggage?

Just look at anything, like reading. During slavery blacks learned to associate reading with punishment and danger since the slave masters did not want them to be educated. In fact there were laws against teaching blacks to read. But as free people reading books is a required step in education and required to be competitive in the capitalist system as well. There are all sorts of dynamics like this, where black people made cultural adaptations which have to be totally reversed in order to even get running, let alone make up a huge deficit that has existed.

It amuses me that FlyWf cries at any sign of racism and injustice but is perfectly content with calling people aspie ******s which is also degrading a group of people, believe it or not. But I guess it's ok because everyone else does it, right?

In all seriousness, Fly seems like the nut-low friend to have; I imagine at parties where people are trying to have a good time, Fly turns up uninvited and proceeds to bore everyone about his racism stories as it becomes gradually clear to the rest of partygoers that he is unable to hold a conversation that isn't race related. *Girl leans in to kiss Fly* *Fly pulls away* "Let me tell you about the history of racism" *girl sighs before walking away*

that is a very interesting thesis. i guess we should be able to look at countries where slavery didn't exist and see blacks achieving similar levels of success as the native populations. (obviously we can't look at Africa since the legacy of European colonization still has lasting negative impacts on the native populations there.)

The point of anecdotes is show that racism isn't just statistical or theoretical and actually impacts human beings. Plus, there's a bonus of watching people whine about "racist anecdotes."

It's also true that white people hate black people more than Asians. Just ask 'em.

Lol. Angry Fly is angry.

Let's walk through this scenario. Purse lady is showing Oprah 2k-5k purses (assuming they aren't carrying Lauren Conrad brand bags at this store, and it's all relatively high end) with no problem, then when Oprah inquires about the 40k purse she's like "eh, that's too expensive, here are some others".

Like, isn't it more likely that they just have a standard practice of not letting randoms look at a 40k purse than this woman making this idea up in her head that because Oprah was black she couldn't afford it? Like she went through the calculation that random black lady can afford 5k, but lol at some dark skinned woman being able to afford 40k so no sirree not showing her that one? Really?

Again, do you think you can roll up to a Lamborghini dealership today and test drive one just like you can a Ford Focus? Hand 'em your license and off you go?

Except for the Oprah thing is not like this at all.

It's more like if someone is supposed to go to the ballgame with you and they call the morning of and say that they think they ate some bad sushi and won't be able to go, but you know that in reality they were out drinking until 6 in the morning and that it's more likely they are hungover than suffering from food poisoning.

It makes zero sense that racism is the reason the clerk showed Oprah multiple really expensive purses but not a single super expensive purse.

Isn't it likely one of the employees or the owner would have mentioned this standard practice?

Standard /= written or stated policy

And?

And what?

That's what she said happened. Seems like a reasonable thought process and indicative of the unwritten/unstated policy of not showing off the 40k bag.

Here's Oprah:
This is dumb in the context of massively upscale products.

And if you're not smart enough to get there based on the conversation thus far, I'm not sure I can help you understand.

It's the refusing to believe the anecdotal that is producing the statistics.

Case in point:

It's an impression, not a calculation FFS. A lot of elaborate rationalizations going on here. Invented clerk thoughts over Oprah.

Listen, Oprah's whole business plan is MAKE WHITE WOMEN COMFORTABLE, to the tune of $2.5 b. She does not pounce on incidents. She herself brought up that her casual dress was a factor, so we know she is nuanced and fair minded. The woman is an exceptionally sensitive observer, that's why her show was so successful. Her feel for the situation should be taken seriously.

Oprah is keeping it in perspective, not screeching racism, here she describes the original interview where she brought the incident up:

Notice Oprah's treatment in the store is being repeated here. What the black girl says is discounted. Nich would rather look at graphs than the discuss raw interactions. The "anecdotal" seems out of the comfort zone.

Since Oprah isn't being taken seriously, let's look more at what she originally explained:

She was the one who was there. The clerk thought she knew better how much the black girl could afford.

So nobody from the store directly articulated that they have a policy of not showing off the bag, therefore it's most likely the clerk is a massive racist. Got it.

Your Boss- Bitch, don't ever presume that you fool us.

This extraordinary skepticism is not part and parcel of your every day life. You do not need to explain yourself to others, we all understand you. It is a well known fact that racists get really uncomfortable when people mention racism and so they go off on flights of fancy. We see it in this forum constantly. You're not special. You're not unique. You're just another mouthbreathing wingnut piece of **** doing your best to make this country a worse place.

Like check this **** out:
Jesus Christ.

So this woman, a mouthbreathing neo nazi white supremacist halfwit, was comfortable with showing a black woman a, say 5k purse, but her racism kicks in for any amounts over that, hence denying Oprah the chance at a 40k purse.

I mean, lol.

Here's something you might want to check out.

By the way, how's the test drive of that Lambo working out?

Are you capable of dressing yourself in the morning? You seem like a massive idiot that would be boggled by shoe Velcro.

What? The **** are you talking about? I wasn't there, either. This isn't about the incident. This is about you. YOU, with your self-regarded pinpoint logical skills, just HAD to chime in. Why?

Anyone who reflexively tries to deny racism in any anecdote is a white supremacist halfwit. Period. Nobody is going to buy that this is one a time event where you feel compelled to remind everyone about the metaphysical limitations of human knowledge.

For one thing, "alleged"? Look at who is on your side ITT, dip****. Lavon Affair and Your Boss. Again, man, you have just the rottenest luck!

For another, you think I'm trying to convince you? Maybe you need to rewind the timeline here. Somebody posted the Oprah anecdote, and the internet white privilege defense brigade rode out to claim that she was making it up. Then I made fun of them. This hurt your feelings.

Nich, I don't think my posts in this forum are going to remedy the brain chemistry deficiencies that cause you to be you. People who deny the impact of racism don't do so out of ignorance, they do so out of bias.

LOL

Your Boss- Again, you're not special, your mouthbreathing fellow travelers have tried to derp out the Boy Who Cried Wolf before as a reason why this or that particular example of racism MUST NOT be called racism. Repeatedly. Sometimes more than once about the same instance.

The response, and again, how sad is it that I need to explain a child's fable to you? That's how stupid you are. Grown ass man needs random people on the internet to explain fables.


1) There was a wolf at the end of that story

2) YOU NEVER BELIEVED THE BOY IN THE FIRST PLACE. Like, Your Boss, when exactly did you get burned by believing a wolf crier? You're a stupid white male with very predictable stupid white male views on race relations, YB. Whenever anyone mentions racism you deny it and get ANGRY that it was mentioned.

Spell it out then.

I posit that it's more likely that the store doesn't really show anyone that bag vs the clerk being a racist for amounts over 5k. You?

That really clears up quite a bit.