A restatement of the logical fallacy that "gun's don't kill people, people do"eh?

Guns do cause loud noise, gun shot wounds, emotional trama, and funerals to name a few possible effects of an operating gun. Of course guns can be used by a person in acts of violence, duh. Gun's actually exist in reality and exihibit unique effects. It's not responsible to pretend otherwise.

Edit: gotta cite some pure hip hop that may or may not have any ado about the post

Isn't the number of actual gun owners decreasing, though? I seem to remember that being mentioned a few times.

Yes you should...

Digging through your copy paste link diarrhea here is what we find.


First two links dont work. The second two are for the same "study". And they try to prove correlation between high rates of forearm ownership with high rates of homicide. This is prima facia false, first because of the data I posted earlier but also because it is a fact that more homicides happen in urban areas with lower rates of gun ownership. Although generally speaking comparisons to other cultures don't work well I and others have posted multiple examples of countries that have much higher rates of violence and much lower gun ownership.

Again its not the guns causing the violence. Violence itself causes the use of guns for evil, not the other way around. Guns are not the cause of anything. Guns are devices that allow humans options, some humans choose the wrong/evil option.

1: Suicides do not create a danger to society.
2: Suicides gonna suicide

I understand the argument that an immediate option like a gun gives a person the ability to make a rash decision, but so do tall buildings, power transformers, herion overdoses etc etc etc.

Suicide is a mental heath issue, what people use to off themselves is unimportant.

Parenting fail + no danger to others = not a gun issue

DERP see above

Irresponsible behavior (storage, handling, etc) is a training issue not a gun issue.



see above

violence towards women is awful, and should be stopped. Tool use is immaterial to this discussion.

WAT? So are owners of fast cars, guys who watch football, and catholics... gamfb

What uneducated ******s think is not relevant to the discussion.

You need to do both. Keep guns in a safe place, and teach kids how they work and the deadly consequences of ****ing around with them.

covered above

I agree that the stats for defensive use are inflated by bad reporting and record keeping. That does not mean that defensive gun use is anywhere near low enough to make any sort of valid point in this area of discussion.


Same clowns from the earlier "studies" and like the problems with "defensive use" stats they are trying to refute their work relies almost entirely on anecdotal and questionable evidence.

Among the piles of DERP that they are shoveling the blind squirrels do find a few acorns of truth.

Well... no ****ing **** geniuses.

Which brings us to our final point, absolutely none of the proposed gun control laws would solve any of these real or imagined problems you just listed.

So do jet planes, bubble gum & hammers

Nice thanks <3 me som TCQ

Its hard to say, the numbers kind of point both ways. But yes to a certain extent some of the acquisition of guns is being done by people who already own some.

The point still stands. If more guns = more death how can you have millions more guns per year and millions less being killed by gun use.

a lot of those links don't work because he's just copied and pasted the text of a post he's made probably 3 dozen times at this point, and due to the way links work with the forum software, manually copy/pasting long links will get that "..." that makes the link not work

Example:

if I paste a link to this post:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=156

it works fine

but if I copy the link above from my actual post, it becomes this:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...&postcount=156

which doesn't work

they both look the same, but they are not linking to the same thing at this point

the first links to:

and the second to:

The number of people shot each year has gone up almost 50% over the last decade but people dying has stayed about the same because of better medical treatment for one.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...y-gun-exchange

Lolol

I think this is not a serious treatment of the point being made. In the limit, if all the guns in America were owned by only one person, we'd certainly expect that to impact gun crime stats, wouldn't we?

More swimming pools = more death.

Obviously.

In some ways yes, in others no.

Your premise is basically a variation of the magic wand idea. The only way that guns will disappear or violence disappear is via a magic wand.

Cite or GTFO.

Violent crime is down over 50% in 3 decades and still dropping, we have had no increase in violent crime of any type beyond a 1-2% variance blip in a given year.

My premise is that the ratio of guns:gun owners is a relevant consideration when examining gun crime statistics, with particular respect to the relationship between gun crime rates and the number of guns in circulation.

I confess I'm unable to relate that premise to magic wands.

Lol at you asking for a cite.

dude... I have beaten you, Phill and river over the head repeatedly with cites and yet you persist with this tardation. Im not going to sit here and constantly relink the same things over, you couldn't refute the facts the first, second, or 50th time I cited them. Your done.

Its really quite simple. go to FBI.gov>download stats> I win you loose> GTFO

Now show me where we have 50% more gunshot wounds or STFU with your constant lying and obfuscation

Ok then we have established that a greater number of guns in circulation has no bearing on crime stats... now what?

PM Riverman its the basis for his entire political philosophy this year.

lol all you do is handwave studies and/or post

you thinking you've won anything by ignoring reality is funny tho, keep it up

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/ficap/reso.../monograph.pdf

moar guns produced, more gun injuries, ~steady fatalities

I have handwaved nothing. We have had multiple threads on this, I have answered your "studies" and pointed out the flaws, you lost I won, sorry.

Now if you have some sort of study that isn't a peice of garbage please post it. Nothing by the three assclowns that goofball posted up thread is worth wiping my ass with.

I'm going with the FBI stats as a reasonable metric not hearsay & conjecture in a paper from some random grad students.

Ignoring reality is actively campaigning for a despicable piece of human garbage. Until you no longer cheerlead for one of the most horrible presidents we have ever had you can blow me.

It's odd that you'd want someone you consider a piece of trash to blow you. Must not say much about your wife.

Low Key's graph doesn't have the last couple years of gun injury data where it goes above 70k/year.

pretty ironic, hilarious and reflective of your stupidity that you are constantly screaming CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION while repeatedly referencing falling violent crime rates

Is that really what you think has been established? Again I don't think you're engaging seriously with the point being made.

You're clearly incapable of thinking about guns rationally. I see no point in engaging further though I've no doubt riverman, rjoe, et al will continue to bang their heads against this wall.

I just enjoy the SHATS FIRED aspect of this forum so I'll probably keep posting