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The state thrives on senseless deaths. Tell me, when in the history of the Earth has there never been warfare between states. Never. War is murder. If I send you to the next neighborhood to kill everyone and take it over, it's murder. When the government does it, it's foreign policy, and foreign policy's just foreign policy, know'm sayin?

06-15-2013 , 09:29 AM

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Riverman, why do you want the government to take guns away from people by force? Do you remember that Adolf Hitler disarmed the Jewish people? You know, before he tried to exterminate them ...

You support implementing government policies Adolf Hitler supported and implemented. Why? Aren't you a liberal? Or aren't you a fascist?

06-15-2013 , 09:38 AM

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Pretty sure Hitler liked dogs. So every time I see a dog I kick it, because, you know. **** Hitler.

06-15-2013 , 09:44 AM

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Real dialogue where both sides acknowledge the validity of the point of view of the other side. On one side we have a problem with loss of human life and on the other we have a Constitutional right valued by many of our citizens. These two issues stir emotions in people that leads to the breakdown of rational discussion.

This thread is the perfect example. The infamous dbj makes a thread ridiculing gun control advocates and riverman responds with this thread.

Does riverman believe that the second amendment is invalid? Do gun rights advocates disregard the importance of human life? I think the real answer is no but it often seems to be yes.

The answer to your question is that we need both sides to agree that the point of view of the other side is valid and from there try to find a solution that works for both sides.

What do you perceive the middle ground to be? Whatever it is I think the gun control extremists need to state their position and the impact on gun crime it will have. If their goal is to abolish the 2nd amendment then they should make the case. Not one thing i've seen from Congress will prevent a Sandy Hook (sp? ).

06-17-2013 , 09:07 AM

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From the city that has the strictest gun control in America.

6 dead among 26 shot across Chicago

06-17-2013 , 10:35 AM

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From the city that has the strictest gun control in America.

6 dead among 26 shot across Chicago

Stupid argument. There are cities around the world with stricter gun control laws than Chicago.

The rash of violent crime came as Chicago has seen a large dip in overall homicide and shooting numbers so far this year.

You even read the article?

06-17-2013 , 10:24 PM

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8 dead and 47 shot in a weekend in the city with the strictest gun control in the US does not sound like a great endorsement for strict gun control to me. Progress is great but I read the whole article and it was very depressing. It made Chicago sound like hell.

06-17-2013 , 10:52 PM

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So why does London and European cities where gun control is even stricter not have as much problems with gun violence? It's as if there's something else happening...

I am not a gun control advocate but trying to prove causation and correlation with that article is pretty lol.

06-17-2013 , 11:08 PM

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I think the main reason London and other European cities don't have this problem is because there are far fewer guns and gangs. I don't know much about London but gang violence is a huge problem in Chicago. Btw I wasn't disagreeing with your earlier post, just commenting on how horribly depressing the article was and it was describing that as progress.

06-17-2013 , 11:12 PM

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Even though I am a second amendment supporter, even I think in situations like those that exist in Chicago right now warrant extreme action to end this violence.

06-17-2013 , 11:14 PM

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You can also travel like 5 miles and buy whatever you want. That might play a small role.

06-17-2013 , 11:46 PM

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That's what I meant by the prevalence of guns being a difference between Chicago and London. Strict gun laws do nothing if you can buy guns close by. Rjoe, I think I am correct in thinking that you advocate stricter gun control. What would you think would be the best way to reduce the violence in Chicago given the current prevalence of guns?

06-18-2013 , 08:40 AM

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So why does London and European cities

we've been over this repeatedly in Wookies echo chamber tread before he kicked out any skeptics.

Comparisons to Europe don't work like that. I'll have to go dig up the sources for you again but Britain for instance has always had a much lower rate of homicide than the US. It's also pretty obvious that comparing Chicago to other american cities would be more instructive than just randomly choosing cities with lower gun crime.

06-18-2013 , 08:51 AM

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I think the main reason London and other European cities don't have this problem is because there are far fewer guns and gangs.

False, they have never had this problem.

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Originally Posted by Pilkain

Even though I am a second amendment supporter, even I think in situations like those that exist in Chicago right now warrant extreme action to end this violence.

What do you sugest? Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, if not the strictest.

06-18-2013 , 11:03 AM

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False, they have never had this problem.

What do you sugest? Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, if not the strictest.

How about ending the war on drugs?

06-18-2013 , 11:17 AM

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How about ending the war on drugs?

Well LDO that would solve tons of problems.

06-18-2013 , 11:37 AM

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Well LDO that would solve tons of problems.

Yet the gun control extremists somehow think a war on guns will be successful where the war on drugs isn't and prohibition wasn't.

06-18-2013 , 11:59 AM

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From the city that has the strictest gun control in America.

6 dead among 26 shot across Chicago

Did you know that gun deaths are down 38% in Chicago in just one year?

06-18-2013 , 12:00 PM

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Did you know that gun deaths are down 38% in Chicago in just one year?

Do you think that brings it down to an acceptable level? 47 shot, 8 killed in one weekend.

06-18-2013 , 12:03 PM

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we've been over this repeatedly in Wookies echo chamber tread before he kicked out any skeptics.
Comparisons to Europe don't work like that. I'll have to go dig up the sources for you again but Britain for instance has always had a much lower rate of homicide than the US. It's also pretty obvious that comparing Chicago to other american cities would be more instructive than just randomly choosing cities with lower gun crime.

And here we are in the unchained forum and you're still bitching about him.

06-18-2013 , 12:05 PM

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False, they have never had this problem.

Which part was false Neblis?

What do you sugest? Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, if not the strictest.

Obviously not more gun legislation. Criminologists would most likely suggest community policing and whatever means necessary to reduce the grip gangs have on the city.

06-18-2013 , 12:49 PM

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Yet the gun control extremists somehow think a war on guns will be successful where the war on drugs isn't and prohibition wasn't.

Lol wat

Almost everyone here is in agreement wrt the war on drugs

06-18-2013 , 12:50 PM

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Obviously not more gun legislation. Criminologists would most likely suggest community policing and whatever means necessary to reduce the grip gangs have on the city.

How about extend their gun laws beyond the city limits?

There is already community policing in a lot of neighborhoods by the way.

06-18-2013 , 01:19 PM

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False, they have never had this problem.

Non sequitur. It's possible that they don't have that problem because they have fewer gangs and guns and that they have never had that problem because they have always had fewer gangs and guns.