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So it's the liberal's and media's fault for tricking the black folk into believing that they are oppressed? Or it's their fault for reminding them? Or what? I'm not sure I follow.

09-15-2016 , 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

I would love to see polls from then asking whether white folk thought race relations were getting worse or not.

Good read on this by CHUCK MODIANO, NEW YORK DAILY NEWS...

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...[Jackie] Robinson’s letter unapologetically battles the suffocating speech-suppressing symbolism of Patriotic Correctness (PC) drowning out Kaepenick’s actual protest:

“I do not have to wave flags or have stickers on my car or wear patriotic cufflinks or armbands on my sleeve. I do not have to leave this country at the suggestion of some third generation European who wants to compare grandfathers— his who came here seeking freedom and immediately enslaved others for his own advancement — and mine who was brought here in chains in the stinking hold of a ship.”

“This land is my land as much as it is his. And it is his, too. With the land, I’ve been told, Americans inherit the legacy of free speech, free expression, of the right to dissent. I always intend to indulge that freedom.”

Around the time of Robinson’s fierce fight for his rights, one must also understand the context of white people. In a 1968 Gallup poll, 73% of white Americans stated that “Negroes are being treated in this community the same as whites” – an almost identical percentage that disapprove of Kaepernick’s stance in 2016. This was 1968.

The majority white Americans stating that Black folks are treated equally as whites has been a persistent feature since Gallup’s first race polls in 1962...

In 1942, Baseball Commissioner Kennesaw Mountain Landis audaciously declared to a gullible white public: “Negroes have never been barred from organized baseball - and never have been in the 21 years I have served.”... The Sporting News... stated: “There is not a single Negro player with major league possibilities.”

At the risk of redundancy, this must be spelled out. The majority of whites have NEVER believed that Black athletes or Black people are being discriminated against.

Not in 1947.
Not in 1968.
Not in 2016.
Not ever.

White denial matters...

09-15-2016 , 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart

So it's the liberal's and media's fault for tricking the black folk into believing that they are oppressed? Or it's their fault for reminding them? Or what? I'm not sure I follow.

Maybe you just have a problem with words. Is English your primary language ?

09-15-2016 , 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!

Good read on this by CHUCK MODIANO, NEW YORK DAILY NEWS...

Shocking but not surprising.

09-15-2016 , 03:00 PM

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The Lion, The Witch and The Closet.

I find this disturbing

09-15-2016 , 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wil318466

Maybe you just have a problem with words. Is English your primary language ?

No and yes, respectively.

09-15-2016 , 06:29 PM

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No and yes, respectively.

Then why do I have to explain plain english to you?

09-15-2016 , 07:34 PM

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So sitting on your butt with two fists raised would be the max individual protest?

handstand with Dicks Out obv

09-15-2016 , 07:38 PM

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At this point, I'm not sure you understand what words mean.

That's when you know you're at the height of the magical realism that is lolwil.

09-15-2016 , 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!

NBD. If I wanted to avoid wil318466, I'd have dropped the OP over in Alta... where he can't go. LOL @that fool, he won't be forgotten at Festivus.

Truth to told, strangely enough, nothings of import is happening right now.

The protesting NFL workers are by and large acting as individuals. Which is seriously weak sauce. To take it to the next level, they need to organize league wide. They aren't doing that so far. The rank-n-file flagwavers, while angry as bees, haven't make any serious attempts to organize a boycott of the NFL, or more significantly, the NFL's F500 sponsors and partners. The professional flagwavers, pols like T.Cruz, aren't trying to astroturf against these F500 companies either. They really can't, without biting the hand that feeds them. And the NFL owners have taken an official "let's ignore it, and hope it just goes away" strategy.

Yeah, everybody is riding with training wheels on; it's very weird, relative to similar incidents in the past.

09-15-2016 , 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 5ive

Dicks Out

09-15-2016 , 07:49 PM

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Gee what's it like to just sit there and ask questions to try to poke holes in another person's argument ?

Lol. Same tactics from all the same people.

Glaucon he ain't, I'll say that.

09-15-2016 , 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

Ah, this is why my MLK stuff ran into a Poe situation.

MLK, Malcolm X, both were all about the Wil and Mongidig line of "Hey, it's us black folk that have to change from within. No point in blaming whitey, he's been so good to us with our own water fountains and all."

Malcolm was like, "Yeah I'll make a change... To your face!"

That might not be an exact quote as it's been decades since I read Haley's autobiography.

09-15-2016 , 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 5ive

Malcolm was like, "Yeah I'll make a change... To your face!"

That might not be an exact quote as it's been decades since I read Haley's autobiography.

By putting a smile on it. By keeping quiet and letting society catch up with his civil rights ideals in its own time?

09-16-2016 , 01:15 AM

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I agree the NFL and the owners are enabling this nonsense. The problem is that the people of this country are enslaved to political correctness. No one sees things as they are, they see things how others think things should be. This creates bitterness, but does not motivate productive action. Until people accept how their actions have created their situation, they will not know what action is needed to improve that situation.

MLK lead a movement that was riteous and certaintly a worthy cause given the oppressive conditions that existed during this time. The racial environment now does not come close to compare to this. Have you noticed all of those whom protest now days are younger people. You don't here much from the older generation of black people. The reason for this is that they know that things are vastly improved and constantly trending upwards for their people. The younger generation has become so used to entitlements and getting their way. Those you see protesting have been spoiled by society and are ignorant of how things work in the real world.

A year from now nothing will have changed. In fact, I think conditions will get worse. Until there is a paradigmic attitudinal shift there will be no change. BLM started a couple years ago. Are things better now? I rest my case!

You think you're the first to tell black people to take it slow, that things will get better just wait? That's been going on for over 100 years.

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Yes you lied to me all these years
You told me to wash and clean my ears
And talk real fine just like a lady
And you'd stop calling me Sister Sadie

Oh but this whole country is full of lies
You're all gonna die and die like flies
I don't trust you any more
You keep on saying 'Go slow!'
'Go slow!'

But that's just the trouble
'Do it slow'
Desegregation
'Do it slow'
Mass participation
'Do it slow'
Reunification
'Do it slow'
Do things gradually
'Do it slow'
But bring more tragedy
'Do it slow'
Why don't you see it
Why don't you feel it
I don't know
I don't know

Mississippi Goddamn - Nina Simon

https://youtu.be/hoZYgq7CV8w

09-16-2016 , 01:25 AM

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You should learn some history!

If you do some research, you will find that every race, religion, culture has at one time or more been enslaved or persecuted. Those whom embrace victimhood and hope for change outside of themselves continue to live in a perceived oppressed environment. Those who refused to blame and made changes from within have gone on to not only escape their oppressed environment, but to thrive in the new world they have created.

your the one who trains people how they should treat you. Wil mentioned that if you continue doing what your doing, your gonna continue to get the same result.

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When asked about anti-white bias, though, black and white respondents differed significantly in their views. Black respondents identified virtually no anti-white bias in any decade. White respondents agreed that anti-white bias was not a problem in the 1950s, but reported that bias against whites started climbing in the 1960s and 1970s before rising sharply in the past 30 years.

If only we could figure out what happened in the 1960's. Basically white people have been upset that black people have been getting more equal economically and politically and have been acting accordingly. All politics since the 1960's is all about white victimhood in the face of having to have blacks move into their neighborhoods, drink their water and breather their air. Having a black football player shove that fact in the fat dorito encrusted faces of these slobs is just a continuation of that same resentment. People could just have f*cking easily ignored him if they didn't think of themselves of victims of his blackness and heinous display of infidelity to America.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.4b10607fc8fe

09-16-2016 , 01:25 AM

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Great, we are at song lyrics.

09-16-2016 , 01:27 AM

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Great, we are at song lyrics.

Sorry shouldn't have posted the video of a black person.

09-16-2016 , 01:37 AM

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Sorry shouldn't have posted the video of a black person.

I mean it's one of the seminal civil rights songs

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The Carnegie Hall recording was subsequently released as a single and became a*civil rights activist*anthem.[3]"Mississippi Goddam" was banned in several Southern states, ostensibly because of the word 'goddam' in the title.[4]*Boxes of promotional singles sent to radio stations around the country were returned with each record cracked in half.[5]

Simone performed the song in front of 10,000 people at the end of the*Selma to Montgomery marches*when she and other black activists, including*Sammy Davis Jr.,James Baldwin*and*Harry Belafonte*crossed police lines.

And was written in response to a murder of a black man and the hypocrisy of telling people to take it slow while murders were continously happening.

In addition I would suggest reading Defying Dixie which details the tale of those who said take it slow (as Washington Carver had said at the turn of the century) and their subsequent decline as Jim Crow continued to advance, not recede, in the 1920s to 1960s.

09-16-2016 , 03:39 AM

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By putting a smile on it. By keeping quiet and letting society catch up with his civil rights ideals in its own time?

Wait did I Poe's Law myself?

09-16-2016 , 03:52 AM

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Goddamn wil is so furious since he realized he wasn't an intelligent and open-minded man of the people and instead just your average not-so-smart bigot.

It couldn't have been just 2p2; I think there were other factors in his life that coalesced into a perfect storm.

Still one of my favorite 2p2 threads:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41...10/?highlight=

09-16-2016 , 04:01 AM

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p.s. Read the OP, and then you can kinda skip to Fly's first direct response:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...3&postcount=50

I'd probably hate Fly too if he ruined my Great Big Conservative-Coming-Out Party.

09-16-2016 , 05:28 AM

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I mean it's one of the seminal civil rights songs

And was written in response to a murder of a black man and the hypocrisy of telling people to take it slow while murders were continously happening.

In addition I would suggest reading Defying Dixie which details the tale of those who said take it slow (as Washington Carver had said at the turn of the century) and their subsequent decline as Jim Crow continued to advance, not recede, in the 1920s to 1960s.

What point are you trying to make here? Demanding injustices be fixed is one thing, but refusing to believe that some things take time is simply refusing to face reality.

How long did it take to fix gay rights? We all knew it would eventually move towards it, but time was a factor. Large scale social change takes time. This isn't an opinion. You can keep posting civil rights songs in a post civil rights era, but it seems kind of pointless. We are well aware that injustices still occur.

09-16-2016 , 06:01 AM

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Oh god I read that thread every few months and it's always amazing. The pwnage is biblical.

09-16-2016 , 06:29 AM

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BTW mongidig is 100% correct. If/when Trump wins the white house minorities in the US may perceive it as a vote against them. It could cause quite a bit of animosity.

Let's see how it plays out. The fallout of him winning could be rough.

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