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The about section of that website (bolding theirs):

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Maybe you clowns get mocked because of the blatantly insecure thinking that somehow turns attempts at equality into a "hate movement". You should be shamed, because you're stupid, hateful and vile.

cuz to you, its either we're with women or against them uh

youre a sad individual, I would donate 5IQ pts to you if i could

02-07-2014 , 07:49 PM

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The funny part is I had sputnik on ignore because of seeing his avatar in some other forum. Then realized I could just schmadschmock it, but was all "nah- anybody ****ty enough to use that avatar is probably dumb, I'll leave him ignored"

DIDS WINS AGAIN.

is that also an argument in your world ?

02-07-2014 , 07:50 PM

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http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/inti...measuring.aspx

I'm taking an interpersonal violence class and my professor is a proudly feminist. I'm the only dude in a class full of women. I'm (in)famous in my program for being contrarian and instigating debates.

In this class the professor assigns readings which very often are about women being victimized by men in domestic abuse situations. I wrote a response with the clear intention of calling bias just to stir things up, but when I looked there was a wealth of info about public distortion due to various factors (law enforcement not taking seriously males claiming victim, social norms allowing for women to push/slap/hit men, publication bias and huge contingent of overtly feminist researchers aiming to prove the norm at all costs, etc.) and lots of confounding research on the topic.

Anyway, wrote a response 5x the minimum length and am going to class armed for a battle. Anyone have knowledge or opinions about this? Think the above link presents things as unbiasedly as possible but I could be wrong. I'm interested to hear any/all opinions.

PS-Links to supporting evidence would be particularly appreciated.

You should probably tell her that men actually get raped more than women.

02-07-2014 , 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by omnishakira

cuz to you, its either we're with women or against them uh

youre a sad individual, I would donate 5IQ pts to you if i could

It's fine, I know you don't have that many to spare. I'll be OK.

02-07-2014 , 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dids

What are you at risk of losing? How the fact that women's rights advocates focus on women's rights issues a problem for men?

Im in risk of losing my children because men dont have the same rights when it comes to custody.

I risk losing out on employment because feminists believe using quotas is more important than competence.

If i where to be arrested i will be sentenced harsher.

If feminists where for equality custody issues and sentencing would be high up on the list but since they are male problems they are ignored. Men are perpetrators and women are victims.

02-07-2014 , 08:03 PM

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Well yeah people with undefensible strawmans love to be called idiots. Really anything to avoid discussing the shallow generalizations about feminists. Bonus points if called idiots though because it validates victim playing mentality. Ironically, victim mentality is a thing people have trouble escaping when in abusive relationships.

02-07-2014 , 08:07 PM

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One thing I have learned. Clearly the MRA guys have seen the evil behind Mavis Beacon and are making a conscious effort to write like absolute jackholes as a form of protest.

02-07-2014 , 08:08 PM

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In fact you should watch this and report all these facts. Too many ignorant feminists in the world and you have a perfect opportunity to expose her brainwashed students to the truth.

02-07-2014 , 08:17 PM

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I risk losing out on employment because feminists believe using quotas is more important than competence.

They do? All of them? Gosh!! How can I learn more about this?

02-07-2014 , 08:22 PM

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They do? All of them? Gosh!! How can I learn more about this?

How about the other 2? If feminism=equality shouldnt they be adressed?

02-07-2014 , 08:33 PM

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Clearly the injustices committed by women against men are limited only by your imagination.

02-07-2014 , 08:33 PM

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One thing I have learned. Clearly the MRA guys have seen the evil behind Mavis Beacon and are making a conscious effort to write like absolute jackholes as a form of protest.

Damn, bro. I haven't seen a Mavis Beacon reference since the early 90s. That's kicking it old-school.

02-07-2014 , 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ianlippert

In fact you should watch this and report all these facts. Too many ignorant feminists in the world and you have a perfect opportunity to expose her brainwashed students to the truth.

ty for posting this

02-07-2014 , 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Clearly the injustices committed by women against men are limited only by your imagination.

The parental rights and discrimination in the juridical system has nothing to do with women? Is it my wives doing if she gets full custody for no reason or is it the laws that gives her the advantage?

02-07-2014 , 08:50 PM

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How about the other 2? If feminism=equality shouldnt they be adressed?

Yes, it would be nice if you could attempt to demonstrate that there's any validity to what you're suggesting for those as well.

02-07-2014 , 08:52 PM

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Oh look, he's making things up again.

02-07-2014 , 08:57 PM

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People trying to solve problems of social inequality while dividing themselves from and attacking feminists with a broad brush are indeed making mental errors and/or have ulterior motives.

LOL @ brainwashed students. That's another significant tell of fallacious thinking. Even if that UTOOB contains horrible injustice, nobody but other idiots are gonna care.

02-07-2014 , 09:02 PM

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BTW this thread just reminded me of when I got full custody of my 11 month old little boy. Wow, that was rigged in her favor or what?

02-07-2014 , 09:02 PM

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While no doubt there are women abusing men, I question the point of you stirring the pot. The abuse on women is several times higher then the reverse. Of all spouses killed by their partners, 3 out of 4 cases are women murdered by men.

You arguing about bias here is the equivalent of a white male taking a class on the history of civil rights in america complaining about racial bias against white people.

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02-07-2014 , 09:03 PM

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Just about any site that acknowledges the issue of violence against men will both admit that it is under reported and still conclude the majority of violence is wielded against women.

You may forget that not to long ago it was considered normal that men were in charge, women were subservient and that hitting your wife was perfectly acceptable. Since you're taking this in school I'm going to guess that you're young and perhaps lack real world experience in this area. Not only in your personal life but even in the changes of men/women's roles (and how they could be treated) has been in this country. (and if you go outside this country, in many places, its much worse.)

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02-07-2014 , 09:12 PM

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Yes, it would be nice if you could attempt to demonstrate that there's any validity to what you're suggesting for those as well.

Well just the fact that women gets custody in 85-95% of the cases should set off some kind of alarm that everything is not entirely fair. Unless ofc there are differences in men and women when it comes to child care and women are better parents.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p60-225.pdf *

*15% is deception - you can't take a stat that 85% of custody goes to sole mothers and subtract from 100% to get fathers. The 15% includes joint custody by fathers. The real data shows that less than 5% of custody decisions go to sole custody by fathers. - the linked report is a distortion of statistics gathered from the U.S. Census Bureau

02-07-2014 , 09:13 PM

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airwave is pretty dumb, but usually just an overzealous form of dumb that thinks the "right" away. What exactly are you lol-ing at there pal? Are you doing that thing where you get so frothed up in outrage that you don't bother to understand what's begin written, or are you a secret MRA champion?

02-07-2014 , 09:16 PM

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There's plenty of very valid reasons why women win the majority of custody cases that have nothing to do with the laws on the books. (for instance, IIRC the last time this came up, one of our resident lawyers noted that in the divorce cases he worked, the men typically didn't show up in court to contest custody at all)

ETA- http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=533

The way to support your argument would be to review child custody laws (and if you did you'd find that in the most part there is no hard-coded preference towards the mother), not to site the results.

02-07-2014 , 09:17 PM

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because DV between spouses/significant others is close to 50/50 with women having a slight edge on being the sole perp or instigator in a 2 sided fight. literally the ONLY time men are a higher percentage of the numbers is in deaths. every other category (hospitalization, serious injury not needing hospitalization, minor injury, etc.) women are in the lead.

do the research.

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