I'll have to try the bork build. Yeah he can peel pretty well. I've gotten pretty good at bailing out players who dive poorly.

eerytime you tried to split push with us we had bumhunt playing tryndamere. you cant do that because then we just lose when theyy dive us and we have no way to engage 4v4 we just sit there waiting to die. its impossible to stall with a trynd teamfight while udyr splits

Ah, well I interpreted being told "you can't split push with Udyr" multiple times to mean "you can't split push with Udyr."

Now I know...

because you couldnt split push with udyr


also you always picked bad times to split push. you cant start it when there are five pushing down our base and youre just starting to clear at towers or are midway down the lane, we"re just going to lose inhib

Stuff like that takes experience, though. I'm getting better and better at identifying situations which are viable to split push. At first I was just doing it randomly.

Another reason for losing with raffy and bumhunt in normal 5's is that you are matched with other pre-made 5's that have around your teams average wins/hidden mmr. Raffy/bumhunt/hamkels wins/mmr are way higher than yours, so you are probably most likely playing against someone who is way better than you. Can't always get carried/do well vs that. I don't mean this as a troll, I just mean that most people try hard in pre-mades as practice for ranked 5's, and they're better organized

When I do normals, solo, I can actually play a solo lane or adc and do halfway decent. When I queue with raffy, I just get completely raped in lane, the people are just way better than me.

I remember snowbro telling me one game when I played Teemo with you guys. Never leave top lane, ever, for any reason. If I die, just die and go back. And to only build attack speed, no damage. I tried to help defend base one time and he yelled at me

Of course, I was newly 30 and went like 0/6 in lane vs a riven or Jax.

thats because snowden is the best, and he understands the teemonator

also last night my connection was trash to league like 3-400 ping, but my connection to any other site/app was totally fine. sigh comcast?

It's league. A lot of the streamers are having the same issue. It's whatever riot server you randomly connect to when getting into game. They're working on it

Ya. JUST WHAT I TOLD YOU LAST NIGHT SEVERAL TIMES RAFFY.

He doesn't listen to voice unless ham or bum are speaking.

huh

Haven't played since Season 3 began, main jungle. How has the meta changed much? Can I still main Lee Sin and J4 type guys for early ganks?

WELL WELL WELL LOOK WHO IT IS

(yes you can), this latest patch changed all jungle spawns to 1:55 though and changed spawn timers so it seems like fast jungle clearers will be stronger.

Oh hi Raffy

i stole lots of buffs last night as udyr/nunu. i'd clear blue and then go directly to their red. in 3 straight games i stole it every time.

IT'S CWAR!

So with the jungle camps all spawning at 1:55, is leash only on blue/red the new meta? It seems thats what most people were doing when I played yesterday.

I do this in 100% of my games where the opposing jungler starts at blue. It also works 100% of the time at my Elo. Instantly puts me ahead, and since I'm clearing super fast, and am prioritizing farm over gank, I usually snowball directly from there. It's not unusual for me to be something like level 12 against his level 9 and up 30-60 cs by midgame.

I'm shooting up the ladder right now. I wonder at what Elo this will stop working. So far, It doesn't seem like I will have huge problems getting at least to silver with maining Udyr/Taric.

Right now, I'm grinding to get to 6300 IP for Lulu as a second support. I'm thinking Shyvanna as second jungler. She's free this week and is said to be a fast clearer, which should suit my farming style.

Leashing a small camp first and then a buff will lose too much EXP for the laners, so yeah, the new way seems to be to go only for a buff. Since they upped the EXP you get from buff camps, the jungler still makes level 2 off of it.

nunu op

That was much more shyv and his team being utter tards than anything else.

she clears fast but has pretty horrid ganks, very reliant on exhaust. she works ok if the laners have CC to help(so something like Nidalee is bad, Ryze is fine etc)

Nunu is very good right now, only 450IP as well has a similar teamfight problem, you need damage, having an auto-based AD helps as bloodboil is a strong steroid