If you blame jsut MLG, you are dumb. They put on a tournament, rent the facility, organized the whole thing just so that these two teams could undermine their effrorts. You can't just go change thr rules cause you want to. They knew what they signed up for.

It wasn't for the ARAM, but the ARAM was what started MLG's investigation, according to MLG Adam's twitter.

the one time bestrice wins something...

Yeah nevermind, just found out that they agreed to split the money. MLG made the right call I guess. Kinda disappointed in Curse and Dignitas though. You'd think they would be smarter than that.

They're a bunch of young nerdy kids who play video games. They probably just didn't think it through and it's not really that surprising imo.

I imagine them taking the news like this: "real? REALLLL?"

Lol, totally stupid on their parts.

They use video game strategy outside of video games and it bites them in the ass. People or organizations don't like being made fools of.

there's a healthy discussion on this in the sc2 subforum mlg thread as well if any of you are interested

Curse apologized:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXOpt...e_gdata_player

Laughing at all the fans outraged at Crs and Dig.

Weird that they were accused of prize-splitting and collusion, but they only apologized for and admitted to the ARAM.

They're never going to admit to something more serious if they aren't forced to.

It makes their apology pretty vague and insignificant, though.

it is amusing since the finals were incredibly close and entertaining, far better than any of the other events I've seen

I think chopping is one of those things that seems 2nd nature among poker players but is treated so differently by everyone else.

yeah but what if i had big money bets on the finals and they softplayed each other....

If they already agreed to split the prize money what would be their motive to fix the final results? Is there really any significant betting going on with final results? And besides it sounds pretty unlikely they'd get all 10 players to agree to fix the score. Besides there was a lot of close fights etc, it'd be really hard to fix the games and not make it look like they softplayed.

I'd be really surprised if those softplay accusations aren't just bs, but who knows.

poker is all about money so chopping is fine

The stupidity just amazes me. How could they not realize that playing an ARAM might arouse some suspicion.

biggest thing is mlg has 0 solid evidence for prize splitting, their reponses to this are widely inconsistant

theres quite alot of hate between mlg and pro lol players, they mighta dq'd the teams because of the aram and then used collusion as an excuse

Because they weren't softplaying like MLG claims without any evidence?

How the **** do you even softplay a match to get a certain result without anyone noticing? How do you get all 10 to accept to softplay? What do they benefit from it if they split the prize money anyway and there is not really much betting going on around lol? If they really were softplaying and it was decided that Crs wins, why did Dignitas win first 2 rounds? That would leave terribly little margin of errors for players "acting to play a match" without making the softplaying super obvious in tight situations.

They probably did it because they didn't approve ARAM (regardless of what they publically say) and/or because the teams indeed decided to split the prize money. Then somebody (ie. everyone following lol scene) asks wtf does it matter whether they splitted the price money or not and some MLG rep just quickly had to come up with something and said the match was fixed. Then they just were committed to sticking with that story, because they realized what a ****ing ****storm it'd be otherwise. That's pretty much how professionally events like this are usually organised.


edit: I only watched the ARAM and the first real match before going to sleep tho, but I haven't heard anyone saying it even remotely looked like either of the teams was softplaying.

Mind blown

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lol.

I highly doubt the "softplay" allegations, and think that like Bitchi says, MLG doesn't really have any hard evidence about them softplaying or planning to split the prize pool. Which is why there has been conflicting statements as to why the DQ occurred.

I don't really have a stance on whether they should be dq'd for potentionally planning to split the prize money. I just think it was incredibly stupid for them to play ARAM, even if there was nothing else going on behind the scenes. Playing ARAM in and of itself is disrespectful to MLG, fans and the other teams.

People want E-sports to become something big outside of Korea, but when people defend players pulling something like trolling a finals match, which is what they did (nevermind whether they softplayed or planned to chop) it goes to show that E-sports still has a long way to go.

I understand splitting is something leagues like MLG don't really want to happen, but unless that is explicitly stated in the rules that chopping isn't allowed, I don't really see how they could DQ teams for it. And do they even have any proof that they indeed intended to split if? (if they even did) But that's still really far away from fixing a match, and isn't that what MLG claims the finalists did?

I agree with your last paragraph about trolling the finals being bad for esports taken seriously, but still MLGs decision was really awful, unless they come up with some really good evidence/reasoning for the DQ soon. And myself I kinda hope eSports would remain a bit less serious than eg. professional sports. Gaming is supposed to be fun. I don't really mind an occasional troll match, although it's kinda weird they decided to do it in finals.

edit:
dlorc: That makes a lot of sense. I just read the SC2 MLG thread and realized the same thing. A lot of non-poker players don't necessarily realize the difference between a chop and fixing. It could very well be that some idiot at MLG heard about the chop and went to riot "omg omg they be fixin" and riot said it's fine to DQ them for fixing a match

Riot said chopping+aram was fine by them, but matchfixing wasn't.

MLG said aram was fine, not sure if they understand the difference between a chop and fixing though.

Well they have banned people in the past for getting caught chopping prize pools. So most people are aware that they frown on it.

I don't know, guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out. Should be interesting.