Some good food for thought there Bjornar

What are your thoughts on balancing our range in BB?is there any need or shoud we just raise it up? ie. Btn bet-calls pre. 3:3 we donk post with our weaker pairs+AK etc + QQ,KK,AA. Also c/c our mid pairs plus when we improve to small/mid 2pairs?

Or are we simply better off checking are marginal hands post(sometimes check with AA,KK-to show that when we check were not always weak) and raising our premium pairs+ improved hands!

I go with your last paragraph. Until you get a feel for what villain is up to at least.

In part 2 of the video, hero gets jacks full vs. sevens full of queens. He says that sevens full is not a cap (assuming that hero's range is exactly a full house). This is not necessarily correct if hero calls the cap with all hands in his range.

If villain started with something like 777JT, his full house will be better than most of the full houses hero can have (because tens full and jacks full are 75 % less likely because of the discards and queens full is impossible).

If you widen hero's range to include quads (but still no straights or flushes), the cap is probably very marginal (I won't attempt to calculate EV, because it would be quite compicated). If it's likely that hero might fold deuces full, the cap is obviously bad.

Yeah that's true.

I didn't really consider discards.

For the 2nd option to be best,we would need to include alot more strong hands as an observant opponent would realise what were doing. I suppose C/R in more marginal situations more often might also balance the times we check when we are weak,this might prevent villain from raising marginal hands IP, which is what we want so we get a showdown wit our weaker pairs.

We could also incoporate hands from para 1 (low pairs,AK etc) in to our C/R range. would be a good approach as we would be balancing our range and we would have some good fold equity too. All villain dependent of course but
could work well against an aggro opponent.

so what happened to the 5cd games? losing FT took away the big action, but where are all the regs at PS? a few were american, but there used to be a lot of eastern euros that just dont seem to be in the lobbies anymore

There seems to be much more $10-20 and higher fixed limit action in the last few days but the great majority of the action is at $3-6 and under, especially at the microlimits. For PL, there isn't that much higher than $2-4 except some occasional HU but there are some "customers".

thats good to hear. i always enjoyed watching the games, but it seemed like there were less people sitting recently. i looked just now, though, and it seems like there is more action than i thought!

30/60 going on right now

Yep, we had a lot of action at 30-60 FL this weekend. I have played aprox. 2k hands and up for about 4k$. The biggest looser was nedifen (~-2k$)
Also u can find regular games for PL200-PL400, FL 10-20 and FL 5-10.

Regards, u1ker

damn, u1ker posting here. sicko. i dont expect you to answer but would be cool anyways.
do you employ lots of game theory in your game plan or are you just that good at exploiting weaknesses?
have you done a lot of mathematical/ computational work to get that good?

Hello, mate
When i started to play 5 card (jan`11) i didn`t find any single book or any stuff to read. Only basic mathematical calculation (drawing odds and probabilities)
The only game plan is to look to my opponent game, there habits and leaks.
As i said the 5 CD is a very easy math game - IMO there is no point to find "median" hands etc. and make decisions based on it.
I can agree that if u play 4-6-8+ tables of FL u have to look more into the math/optimal vacuum decisions but i play not more than 2 tables ALWAYS, so i can skip this part easily.

You sound exactly like me(except I started 2003). Would be fun if I had a bankroll to challenge some of the Stars-regs for larger HU-battles in pot limit(and thank you SO much for beating that facking Nedifen fish!, hate him).

Maybe its just me but I enjoy watching this game alot more then holdem, why dont they play this at WSOP?

Everyone hates ugly donk nedifen, but tssss..it is a secret

Sigh...I miss 5 Card Draw :O(

Wow, I saw the nick and thought: Wow, do you still play? And then I remembered US and ****. Stars is pretty sad without the US market anyway IMO.

Not just bumping for great justice, legit Q

Free play in the big blind, dealt A234J or similar (kicker is below Q).

What do you keep?

There's the straight draw (draw 1), or the ace high (draw 4), or A+kicker (draw 3). Mostly I draw 4 here and like it. But curious what best play is, per equities?

Obviously it may differ if the SB has limped, but most spots you are OOP vs a (recreational) limper or two. If it's AQ/AK I take 3. I feel more chance of hitting not going for the gutshot, plus hitting the straight can sometimes lead to dusting off a couple bets I needn't vs a limping draw 1 man.

If AJ/AT is suited I draw to that. If not, I draw 4.

Getting killed with low two pair, it seems I lose more than win with that hand. It's meant to be the best hand on average at the table but apparently that's not the entire puzzle... when I get a caller, or someone raises in front, they have me beat. 3-betting is not going well, but I never call pre. 3 ball or fold.

Now when someone draws 1 after I 3 bet them I tend to just fold. If I get 3 bet, I just fold with what is often between 0 & 4 outs and obviously never the right price.

Against some guys I am sigh calling their 3 bet with low trips...

PokerStars Hand #87760767864: 5 Card Draw Limit ($0.10/$0.20 USD) - 2012/10/16 20:26:32 WET [2012/10/16 15:26:32 ET]
Table 'Tabora VIII' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ME ($5.06 in chips)
Seat 2: ($0.48 in chips)
Seat 3: ($2.14 in chips)
Seat 4: ($4.70 in chips)
Seat 5: ($0.99 in chips)
Seat 6: ($2.15 in chips)
pxxxx1: posts small blind $0.05
dxxxxb1972: posts big blind $0.10
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to ME [5A4A9]
: folds
I: raise $0.10 to $0.20
cxxxx747: calls $0.20
: folds
: folds
dxxxxb1972: raises $0.10 to $0.30
I: call $0.10
cxxxx747: calls $0.10
dxxxxb1972: discards 2 cards
I: discard 3 cards [5 4 9]
Dealt to ME [A A] [32 K]
cxxxx747: discards 1 card
dxxxxb1972: bets $0.20
I: fold
cxxxx747: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.20) returned to dxxxx1972
dxxxxb1972 collected $0.91 from pot

I never know what the right play is. I am supposed to draw here and spike the ace/sigh pay off with 2 pair? I seem to lose a lot of money calling 3 bets.

Call predraw and fold to the c-bet with less than AAA. BB isn't likely to be bluffing out two opponents and likely has trips. Calling with Aces up postdraw is not recommended.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit 5 Card Draw - 5 players - View hand 1916392
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with 9 5 5 5 4
denver1_123 calls, Hero raises, Stevan52 folds, Anumenor calls, pollinn folds, denver1_123 calls

First Draw: (7 SB) (3 players)
Anumenor draws 3, denver1_123 draws 3, Hero draws 1
Hand: J 5 5 5 4
Anumenor checks, denver1_123 bets, Hero calls, Anumenor folds

Final Pot: 5.5 BB
denver1_123 shows A K Q J T (a Royal Flush)
Hero mucks J 5 5 5 4
denver1_123 wins 5.25 BB



Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Limit 5 Card Draw - 6 players - View hand 1941031
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Draw: (1.4 SB) Hero is CO with T 9 8 7 3
UTG folds, MP folds, Hero raises, BTN folds, SB folds, BB calls

First Draw: (4.4 SB) (2 players)
BB draws 3, Hero draws 1
Hand: T 9 8 7 6
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps!, Hero calls

Final Pot: 10.2 BB
Hero shows T 9 8 7 6 (a straight flush, Six to Ten)
BB mucks J J J J 9
Hero wins 10.2 BB



Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Limit 5 Card Draw - 5 players - View hand 1942228
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Draw: (1.4 SB) Hero is CO with K Q 9 8 5
UTG folds, Hero raises, BTN folds, SB calls, BB calls

First Draw: (6 SB) (3 players)
SB draws 1, BB draws 1, Hero draws 5
Hand: Q J 9 7 2
SB bets, BB folds, Hero calls

Final Pot: 5 BB
SB shows Q 9 6 5 2 (high card Queen)
Hero shows Q J 9 7 2 (high card Queen - Jack kicker)
Hero wins 4.78 BB
(Rake: $0.11)

Standard?

In the last one, Hero can draw three to KQ or stand pat, so I'd guess either you weren't the Hero or you misclicked.

Last one is good fun. Ive called with T9 high and won(lowest ever). Still sometimes call with stuff like that because its good fun :P

3 to royal Ive only seen once(now twice). Ive lost with AAAA vs a Th straight flush once. Worst ever beat.