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04-02-2012 , 02:39 PM
Also the finish on it defined the world anti climax for wrestling fans the world over.
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04-02-2012 , 03:05 PM
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peak of WWF was the entire attitude era. basically the rise of DX, undertaker/kane months of rivalry but being suspected of secretly working together finally coming to a head, austin/mcmahon feud, the rocks journey from nation-->face-->heel-->GOAT face, corporation vs austin, corporate ministry vs rock/austin, helmsley-mcmahon faction vs rock, rock/austin all happened during that ~4 year stretch and were all incredible arcs. i'm sure im forgetting some too.

it's not a surprise to me that austin/rocks peaks aligned with (to me) by far the best few years of wrestling ever. basically the rock choosing a movie career in 01 was the end of the WWF's greatness to me. austin was past his prime and it was basically on him to carry the WWF which he could no longer do especially as a heel. post-prime austin would have been much more effective as a face had the mcmahon/austin rivalry still existed/had legs.

wrestling has had some fine moments since then but the new guys (orton/cm punk/cena/lesnar) have never really done it for me. they dont seem nearly as gifted as entertainers and the attitude era arcs seemed darker i guess? idk maybe mcmahon being more directly involved was helpful as he was always great regardless of his status as a heel or a face.
and then the awesomness that was the tag division when we had the new age outlaws, hardys, dudleys, 2cool, and edge and christian all around the same time. rock n sock somewhere in there too (slightly after the peak of the attitude era, right around when DX was reformed and moving forward i guess, pre-cena though. that was a fun time).

that was also when there was legitimacy to the IC title, the benoit/y2j/chyna feuds come to mind.
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04-02-2012 , 03:09 PM
didn't armegeddon 99 have the hardys vs edge/xtian in a ladder match for terri's services, the kat showing her tits, and vince vs hhh which was a well done and sick brawl? pretty good ppv if that's the right show i'm thinking of.
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04-02-2012 , 03:47 PM
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18 seconds is inexcusable if for no other reason it completely deligitimizes bryan. build up his entire championship reign as him winning by flukes and luck and end it with an 18 second squash? ok then.
This wasn't a head-on-head squash like Warrior vs. Honky Tonk Man. He got blindsided by the jumping kick version of a suckerpunch. Essentially he lost the title on just as much of a fluke as he won it on.
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04-02-2012 , 05:22 PM
I just want to point out that Cena not only carried Rock in the match, but he also jobbed clean. The two biggest knocks people have on him is that he can't wrestle, he carried the Rock, and that he never jobs, he's jobbed back to back Mania's. I wanted to see Cena win but the more I think about it the more I think losing was the right booking. Cena's character completely no sold everything Rock said in his promos, and he kept saying how he's just going to win. Then he goes out and gets beat clean. This allows Cena's character to show some vulnerability and progress. Having Cena beat the Rock would have allowed Cena to just stay the way he is, and it also would have made him look way too strong for anyone to take anyone facing him seriously.
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04-02-2012 , 05:25 PM
First time hes jobbed clean in at least 5 years, I loved seeing it
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04-02-2012 , 06:17 PM
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I just want to point out that Cena not only carried Rock in the match, but he also jobbed clean. The two biggest knocks people have on him is that he can't wrestle, he carried the Rock, and that he never jobs, he's jobbed back to back Mania's. I wanted to see Cena win but the more I think about it the more I think losing was the right booking. Cena's character completely no sold everything Rock said in his promos, and he kept saying how he's just going to win. Then he goes out and gets beat clean. This allows Cena's character to show some vulnerability and progress. Having Cena beat the Rock would have allowed Cena to just stay the way he is, and it also would have made him look way too strong for anyone to take anyone facing him seriously.
Cena has been the most popular hes ever been with alot of people in the last month. with all his usuals still loving him. so staying the way of trash talkin to rock, who he managed to own each week, seems like evolution itself.


Anyway, what i took from this was. Cena beats everyone in wwe n gets the title when he sets sight on it. Celebrity who's never around can beat him. Therefore celebrity can beat the entire roster.
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04-02-2012 , 06:21 PM
Yeah, Rock is the male Maria Menounos.
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04-02-2012 , 06:39 PM
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Yeah, Rock is the male Maria Menounos.
he's smart enough to wear dark trunks though
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04-02-2012 , 06:49 PM
Very brief thoughts:

-I was sorry to see Bryan/Sheamus cancelled for the 2nd straight Mania.

-Orton jobbing to Henry makes sense. Kane, not so much.

-Really hated seeing Cody lose. Frustrating seeing Big Slow no-sell his offense. Booking wise, I suppose it made sense given how hard Cody buried BS in the run up to WM.

-Divas was standard awful.

-HIAC was about as perfect of a story that could be told in a Wrestling Match. 9.5/10 at least. Still, I can't believe no one ITT has ragged on the puppy-dog concerned facial expressions of Shawn Michaels throughout the match. I swear I was having flashbacks to Miss Elizabeth when the Mega-Powers collided. The ending was wonderful, too--very reminiscent of a FINISH HIM! moment at the end of playing Mortal Kombat.

-6 on 6 match needed to be an elimination match. Instead, it felt like "hey let's give the rest of the roster their token Wrestlemania time." Happy for Ace and the storylines it will provide, though.

-Punk/Jericho was a very stiff, technically brilliant match. Loved loved loved the finishing sequence of rollups/reversals/submissions.

-The thing that bothered me most about Cena/Rock was when Cena had the goofiest, wtf am I doing now expression right before attempting the People's Elbow. Almost like, "I can't believe Vince is making me do this." Overall, a slow and mostly uninteresting match. I'll forgive the outcome if this leads to a legit Cena heel turn (it won't), but I get the sense that Rocky pulled out his best Hogan in how this got booked.

-Beat the wife in our confidence pool. She had me in correctly picking Show and Sheamus, but silly her took HHH (she would have won had she taken the super obvious UT pick, so horray for me).
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04-02-2012 , 07:00 PM
[QUOTE=Bigdaddydvo;32387318Beat the wife in our confidence pool. She had me in correctly picking Show and Sheamus, but silly her took HHH (she would have won had she taken the super obvious UT pick, so horray for me).[/QUOTE]

Sick barg
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04-02-2012 , 07:04 PM
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he's smart enough to wear dark trunks though
rly? nobody put together that it was make up that she got that stain from doing the stinkface to whichever one her and kelly did it to?
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04-02-2012 , 07:31 PM
Another video of people in this thread:

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04-02-2012 , 07:43 PM
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Another video of people in this thread:
You seem to be under the impression that this thread is full of Cena marks. In reality it is just that Cenaids is no match for Rock's superaids.
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04-02-2012 , 07:45 PM
If you could find videos of little kids crying because Daniel Bryan lost it would be more appropriate.
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04-02-2012 , 07:49 PM
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If you could find videos of little kids crying because Daniel Bryan lost it would be more appropriate.


Only one I could find shorter than the match
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04-02-2012 , 07:51 PM
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04-02-2012 , 07:52 PM
one thing i dont get about d bryan apologists is the idea that the booking is ok because it sets up interesting stuff post-mania. doesnt that destroy the entire point of wm and just make it anothe ppv?

isnt the entire idea of wrestlemania that everything builds up to that event, particularly for the wwe/whc titles? booking shouldnt be done about what to do post-mania, it should be 6 months prior on making a story come to fruition at mania.
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04-02-2012 , 07:54 PM
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Only one I could find shorter than the match
haha that video is awesome.
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04-02-2012 , 08:01 PM
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one thing i dont get about d bryan apologists is the idea that the booking is ok because it sets up interesting stuff post-mania. doesnt that destroy the entire point of wm and just make it anothe ppv?

isnt the entire idea of wrestlemania that everything builds up to that event, particularly for the wwe/whc titles? booking shouldnt be done about what to do post-mania, it should be 6 months prior on making a story come to fruition at mania.
Even if it is a setup the same thing can most likely be achieved by an AJ distraction 10-15 minutes into the match.

And lol those Cena vids are hilarious, pretty sure I should auto win the draft
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04-02-2012 , 08:01 PM
Stop videotaping me at home! A+++ video.
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04-02-2012 , 08:04 PM
For the feelings on the opposite side of Rock/Cena

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04-02-2012 , 08:15 PM
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Thinking back to last night, I can forgive the bad booking decisions and the match quality was mostly alright with some excellent sprinkled in.

What I can't forgive, however, is that the reason one match was given eighteen seconds was because of the inordinate amount of promos, advertising for other shows and products, musical performances, and ****ing stupid dance segments that must have filled close to an hour of the show.
No one really believes this right? They didn't book the whole PPV and then go "oh **** we forgot to place the WHC match anywhere. **** it we'll squeeze in 18 seconds somewhere."

They decided that the match would be 18 seconds (or shorter if some of the rumours are true) and then filled promos around it.

You can still be mad at how the match was booked and how many commercials there were but the cause and effect is backwards.
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04-02-2012 , 08:21 PM
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No one really believes this right? They didn't book the whole PPV and then go "oh **** we forgot to place the WHC match anywhere. **** it we'll squeeze in 18 seconds somewhere."

They decided that the match would be 18 seconds (or shorter if some of the rumours are true) and then filled promos around it.

You can still be mad at how the match was booked and how many commercials there were but the cause and effect is backwards.
+1

The way people were acting last night was like they decided to cut the WHC match to make room for some dancing mommas
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04-02-2012 , 08:24 PM
Given the royal rumble and this wm im not convinced they dont start with the promos and adverts then work out how much time they have left for the wrestling matches.
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