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I meant that I interpreted that specific post in that way. He can either be a midcarder for 5 years and then become Stone Cold till the end of his career or he can be Stone Cold straight away.

If Dylan meant that he can be Stone Cold straight away but maintain his actual career length then uh, I guess that's cool, since he made the rule and I didn't modify it before the #1 pick.

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03-25-2012 , 05:11 PM

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That would be a terrible pick at #1 in a career draft...if not for the preposterous rule which allows him to start his career as Stone Cold.

I don't know what to think of it now; maybe he would have been able to get over as Stone Cold right away, or maybe he wouldn't have been able to pull off the character when he was young, subsequently spoiling the gimmick, and then his big peak never happens or is significantly weaker.

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Yeah I don't really know how that rule works. He can be Stone Cold for longer than Stone Cold the full-time character existed? We're just assuming that he won't go stale because he didn't go stale in the time of his peak run?

These are valid concerns and it would probably be unrealistic to assume that you can get 12 years of Stone Cold but I don't think it would be unreasonable to argue that you could make him Stone Cold a bit earlier than in real life and get another 2-3 years of his peak.

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03-25-2012 , 05:15 PM

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I certainly hope your interpretation is correct. The alternative is very silly, because most guys in the history of wrestling largely came up with their own character/promos, so it is more or less giving people their peak mind/charisma/personality in a career draft.

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03-25-2012 , 05:15 PM

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Why is it relevant how long he was Stone Cold for?

Oh, i think i see, yeah if this is a career draft then it makes sense it has to track to some degree of reality. Though 6 years of Stone Cold would beat 20 years of a lot of undrafted doing whatever.

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03-25-2012 , 05:17 PM

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This seems like the right time to determine what exactly the rule should. We seem to have 3 different options:

- You get the actual career, 6 years of various gimmicks and 6 years of Stone Cold
- You can modify the career and argue that he would still be awesome if you made him Stone Cold earlier
- You can get him at the start of the peak and only have 6 years to work with

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03-25-2012 , 05:23 PM

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Unless Dylan wants to overrule this, you get them for the actual length of their career. You can pick them up at any point in their career though. If you had to pick them all up before they debuted you would have no main eventers to start out.

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03-25-2012 , 05:29 PM

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Good point, there almost no wrestlers who come in and main event right away.

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03-25-2012 , 05:32 PM

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Sending a pm to the next person after you draft generally greatly speeds these things up.

I can't count the times that I pmed somebody who was up and we were waiting on, and then they immediately showed up to pick.

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03-25-2012 , 05:33 PM

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I PM'd TBE and mflip. I doubt we'll wait more than a couple of hours longer on them.

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03-25-2012 , 05:37 PM

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SCIENCE!

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03-25-2012 , 05:38 PM

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Speaking of stale, IRM stops in to troll.

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03-25-2012 , 05:40 PM

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03-25-2012 , 05:42 PM

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Good point, there almost no wrestlers who come in and main event right away.

I'm not sure if this was sarcastic or not, but even the wrestlers who appear to come in and main event straight away will have spent at least a year or two in the indies or developmental. But you can't have them from when they started main eventing straight away and then still use those couple of years from the indies as part of their career.

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03-25-2012 , 05:43 PM

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I PM'd TBE and mflip. I doubt we'll wait more than a couple of hours longer on them.

I'm here. Can we get a ruling on the first quoted post though. It doesn't impact this decision a ton so I'm just going to work on the write up but it'd be nice for everyone to be certain what the main criteria is before too many picks get made.

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03-25-2012 , 05:46 PM

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It wasn't sarcastic.

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03-25-2012 , 05:47 PM

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OK sorry, I was 50/50. There are just too many trolls on 2p2

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03-25-2012 , 05:49 PM

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I think this is our official ruling, mflip.

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03-25-2012 , 06:04 PM

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I'm not sure actually. After the reading the OP again I've noticed it does say you get them for their entire career. Hopefully Dylan will clear this up soon.

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03-25-2012 , 06:04 PM

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I think this is our official ruling, mflip.

So using Austin as the example. Looking at his career he started in WCW in 1991 and was there until 1995. Then ECW for part of 95 before joining WWF. The SCSA gimmick began in 1996 and he officially retired in early 2004.

Which of these is true:

A) You get Stone Cold Steve Austin for 13 years (91-04)
B) You get SCSA for 8 years (96-04)
C) You get Steve Austin's various gimmicks for 13 years

Based on that post I'm assuming it's A?

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03-25-2012 , 06:08 PM

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You get either B or C from what I can tell. You can either get young Austin from the beginning or you can get Stone Cold starting in his WWF days. You're signing the wrestler, but at what point in his career you sign him is up to you.

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03-25-2012 , 06:09 PM

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Yeah I'm not gonna overrule it, this sounds good.

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03-25-2012 , 06:10 PM

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Yeah this is what I was saying.

However Dylan said in the OP that you get them for their entire career, and then later said that you can start him as Stone Cold straight away, so I'm not sure. I don't think it should be A though.

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03-25-2012 , 06:10 PM

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Sigh... I was hoping someone would go in a different direction than Austin. Oh well. He is now 4/4 in going #1 fwiw.

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03-25-2012 , 06:12 PM

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Which of these is true:

A) You get Stone Cold Steve Austin for 13 years (91-04)
B) You get SCSA for 8 years (96-04)
C) You get Steve Austin's various gimmicks for 13 years

Based on that post I'm assuming it's A?

It's definitely not A; if you read Teejay's other posts it clarifies. It's something like your choice between B and C.