Sounds good guys. Nice to get some poker games other than the usual 3-6 limit and 1-2 or 1-3 NL. Hopefully we can make this 8-16 limit game happen tomorrow. Thanks, MidwestFloor, for spreading the word. We will see what happens. I'll for sure be there tomorrow by 3pm.

I will be there tomorrow also by 2:30 or 3 p.m. Besides Biggle and the Dr. who else is going to be there?

Saw Lumiere's Tweet from earlier today they were running the 1-3 NLHE/PLO mix and a 7 Stud game this afternoon.

Did the 6-12 limit game start up at River City last night? I didn't make the 1.5hr drive last night to see for myself.

Hopefully some of these 6-12 LHE players will try to make it out to Lumiere today for some 8-16 action. Lets try to really get this game started as it would be a nice bridge from low-limit to higher 20-40 action. So far I think only 3 or 4 of us are coming out today at 3pm, so if anyone else is thinking about it, try to come out if even for an hour to get the game started and hopefully draw interest from those already in the casino. See you guys around 3pm.

I arrived at River City around 5:30 there was already a 4/8 game running and it lasted all night long. for what it's worth, they did have 2 full tables of it at one point during the evening.

So unfortunately our attempt at starting a mid-level LHE game at Lumiere tonight didn't go as planned (had 6-7 people on interest left by the time I left). However, I was thinking about this and maybe a 10-20 game at Harrahs Wed or Friday would be better since that is when they have their 20-40 running. I think this would be our best chance at drawing from a limit hold 'em crowd that would be willing to play higher than 4-8. The last time I was there on one of those days they had a full table of 20-40 with at least 5 people on the list (and actually there waiting). I've even seen 2 full tables of 20-40 going at the same there sometime in the last 2 months. I think if we got a 10-20 game started on these days, people waiting for the 20-40 game would probably sit down at the 10-20. What do others think? I still think there is potential for a regular LHE game between 3-6 and 20-40.

I would like in on this also Ob/gyndoctor. I much prefer limit over no limit but can't find a big enough game in this area to make it worth while.

Sounds good TownDrunk. I mean we really should be able to get this going just judging from the responses on this thread. Correct me if I'm wrong but I have the following people interested in a midlimit LHE game (6/12-10/20 or 15/30):

1.) Malachi999
2.) Chuckles2020
3.) Ob/GynDoctor
4.) Biggle10
5.) TownDrunk
6.) Old Man Coffee ?
7.) BDP ?
8.) Abe ?
9.) Lateralus76 ?

I mean theres a game right there if we all could find a day/time/location. The last 4 names I put questionmarks because they expressed interest in LHE in their posts but I'm not sure if they are wanting to play higher than 4/8 or they live pretty far away. Once again, I know personally that Harrahs gets a good crowd for 20/40 every week on Wednesdays and Fridays with long waits (3 weeks ago I arrived at 3pm and was 6th on list and didn't get called in 3.5 hours so I left), so I think those waiting would perhaps help get a midlevel LHE game started if it was worth it. Thanks to those who made the effort to try to get the 8/16 game started at Lumiere yesterday.

call River City and ask for Don or Joe and let them know what day you want to come in. They are by far the most acomidating room in the area

I don't think its really an issue of the room being accommodating, but one of getting everyone in the same place at the same time. I'm willing to drive to Harrah's. Lets pick another upcoming weekend and give it another try.

I was pleasantly surprised that I saw the 8-16 game get ~7 on the list. There were a couple players at my table who were semi-interested in joining, but I couldn't quite sway them.

BTW, 15-30 is beyond the stakes I'm willing to play at this point.

My problem is with scheduling. Because of work and other commitments, I really can't say if I can or cannot make it until the last minute.

Is Harrah's the best place to find a 2/5 game? It barely runs at Lumiere. What's the 2/5 game like at Harrah's? Input appreciated.

Wednesdays and Fridays are harder for me due to work. I can try to make it on Friday but not until after 7:30 or 8:00. I know we had 8 people on the list at one point last night and they did not open the game. Ameristar will open a short handed game, don't know about Harrahs. 10-20 is ok or we could try the 8-16 again.

I hear you, Malachi999. Often Wednesdays (and even some Fridays) are not good for me due to work but I actually have this week off. I actually prefer Ameristar and like the fact they would be willing to open a short-handed game as you mention; however, unfortunately they have been dead and I don't think we would get anyone else to play other than those of us on 2+2 who could make it. I suppose if we get 6 or 7 of us here to make it at the same time and they agree to open a table for us, then Ameristar would work. If not, I think we are still looking at Harrahs as are best possible shot. And I would be fine with playing 8-16 if they would open that up (I just suggested 10-20 if they want to keep it to a single-denomination chip game). I've never been to River City Casino, but reading some posts on here it appears they may have some limit players that would be interested in 8-16 (but you never know if regular 4-8 limit players will want to play slightly bigger).

So like I said, I am available this week(end). Let's see what time/day works best for the 5-7 of us here that definitely want to play this, and go with it. I'm open to any casino that we think we have a reasonable shot at getting this game started.

Tbird, my experience with Harrah's 2/5 NL game is limited, but I know they often have it running Friday and Sat night. The game plays like a typical 2/5NL game. More action than their 1-2NL but not a lot of great players. Just be prepared to have a few buy-ins ready.

I agree that Ameristar is dead. I just know they will open a short handed game if asked. I have had them open a heads up game before. I am sure Harrahs would open a game 7 or 8 handed though. We can try Harrahs and if we have 7 or 8 players and they won't open a game we can drive across the bridge to Ameristar. 8/16 or 10/20 is fine, whatever works for everyone else. If we do it this week it should be on Friday or Saturday. With the weather coming into town Mon, Tues, Wed I don't want to try to get there. So Friday or Saturday would work (prefer Saturday, but I see Dr's point about pulling waiting 20/40 players into the game on Weds./Fridays). If we play on Friday I think 10/20 would be better. If we play on Saturday I think 8/16 would be better as this has a better chance of pulling some 3/6 players into it. What time?

Malachi999, I agree with you. Let's plan this Friday or Saturday. What works best for everyone here who wants to play 8/16 or 10/20 LHE? I agree with the plan that if Friday is our preferred day, then we plan on 10/20 at Harrahs sometime early afternoon (I believe the 20/40 LHE game at Harrahs gets going strong at noon). If Sat. is our ideal day, then we go with 8/16 at Ameristar since they will probably open a game with a handful of us present (maybe pull a 3/6 limit player having a good day and wanting to take a shot at something a bit bigger).

I am pretty much available anytime this Friday and Saturday, so when can others make it? Let's see if we can finally get this game started. Fairly good sign that we got a list of 6-8 players for 8/16 on Saturday at Lumiere.

We will run the game with 7 or 8 players if all the players agree to play short and understand that the game may stay short. I may be biased but we got a list of 7 players at LP and the word may spread that the game got close to running. If you jump around then the players not on 2+2 will not know where and when the game is. Getting a consistent list and then a consistent game is how new games get started. This is how it happened with the bigger no limit games, PLO, and stud. This is how we will eventually run a crazy pineapple game by building a base of players that know when and where the game will play.

FWIW if I ran the Harrahs room I would not start a list for 10-20 on the same day as 20-40 as it would split the players and potentially kill both games, the same reason we do not run 2-5 or PLO when 5-10 is running.

I think we should only try having the game at Ameristar if we have list for 7 or 8 at Harrahs and they won't open a game. I think we will have better luck getting a full game at Harrahs. If Friday works for everyone else that is fine, but I can't be there until about 8 p.m.

MidwestFloor, I hear what you are saying and you bring up so valid points. However, I'm not sure if it matters that we stay consistent with a day and location until we actually get the game established. You are definitely right that once we have such a game going, we should plan on the same day, time, and location for the subsequent week since those who saw the game going will likely come back the following week to play the same game. I know this is how I got to playing the 20-40 the few times I did because I happened to be at Harrahs on a Friday when it was going and they told me to try again the following week. As for not attempting to start a 10-20 game the same time as the 20-40, I'm not sure I agree. You might be right that management will not want to help us start the game, but it doesn't make sense to me since I don't see this as threatening to kill the already established 20-40 game. A 10-20 game should act as a feeder game, if anything, in much the same way a 1-3NL game is to a 2-5NL game. We might pull a couple of players from the 20-40 game to play the 10-20 game, but that would be ideal to get this game started (I believe there are enough 20-40 players that the game would sustain), and perhaps a couple of hot players from the 10-20 game would want to jump into the 20-40. I believe you are correct that perhaps the best move would be to have 10-20 on days other than the 20-40 so that the same pool of players could play more days of the week and it would give the 10-20 players possibility to move up after a few hot weeks or so.

Either way, it's not important to me where the game is played, as long as we can get it going. So far, it seems like only Malachi999 and I are down for a 10-20 or 8-16 game this coming weekend. So does anyone else have input? Likely wherever we try to start this game, it will have to start short-handed so that is a big factor in determining where we try this. MidwestFloor, what is the fewest number of players Lumiere will start a game? Thanks again for your encouragement and advice. Let's get this going.

Congrats again to the players trying to organize this.

I am # 8 on Ob/Gyn's list and he has me listed with a "?". Thats correct, because I would not be an every week regular in whatever game gets established. I would, however, probably bring another player or two along if driving to the StL area for poker.

6-12, 8-16 or 10-20 or even 15-30 is fine by me. Actually even the game at River City (4-8 with half kill to 6-12) is so much better than all the 3-6 games in town.

Some random thoughts:
-- maybe more of your existing player pool and some of the potential player pool is already in the River City game. Perhaps the 4-8/halfkill game could run at the same time as a 8-16 game. I agree that a 6-12 game would be too close to co-exist.
-- side by side 10-20 and 20-40 table at Harrahs sounds good too.
-- as noted earlier in this thread - you are going to have to concentrate the limit player base in SOME poker room on a particular day/time.
-- other posters in this thread have already noted differences between the various StL poker rooms. Some really only want to spread 3-6 and baby NL. Its unlikely that you will find a large pool of potential mid stakes limit players in the mass of players that have selected these rooms. Actually these rooms would rather you just played 3-6 in their room than tried to organize a larger game that would go elsewhere.
-- Next time you do have a game organized and scheduled, I really suggest that you START play (even if only 6 there) Clank the chips, get the cards in the air, and another players may show up. Then confirm with all players that the NEXT game will be ______.
-- just back from Tunica and the Shoe has things well organized in this area- Wednesday is 10-20 day, weekends are 20-40 (usually 2 tables) other weekdays are 15-30, and everyday has 4-8 with one to three tables.
-- players at Venetian in LV have an interesting process going. Lots of them like to play mixed games and when two or three of them are present, they will text other players and they will then show up to play or be on the list.

Again -- gl with this project and keep working to get the word out

Great post, Abe. I agree with you. I, too, would not be able to be a weekly regular (sometimes I work weekends) but I would like to help start a regular game that would give us more opportunity to play midlimit LHE games. What you describe at Tunica is exactly what I think we should have here in St. Louis: 3-5 days a week of midlevel LHE. I've been in St. Louis for 6 years now, and it amazes me that we have not done what Tunica or LV have done given the fact that there are a substantial pool of limit hold'em players that probably would like to move up the ranks and play more often. Coming from California, it is frustrating that I cannot go to a room and start at even 3-6 and work my way up to 10-20 or even 20-40 after a heater of a session.

Anyway, I wonder about River City Casino as well (have not been yet) since they already have a 4-8 with half kill, so I wonder if players there would be interested in 8-16. Either way, I agree with you that we have to get a game started, even if it is 6-handed. There is a definite bystander effect of people not wanting to put their name down on an interest list for a new game, but they would sit in on the game if it was actually going. I know this happened to me last year when a PLO game was trying to get started: I was hesitant to add my name to the interest list but once they got it going and said they had an immediate available seat, I figured "sure, why not."

So who can make it this Saturday (or Friday night) for 8-16 (or 10-20) LHE? Lets get 6 of us to commit and then we can decide which casino will be our best shot. Start the game 6-handed and see who we can attract. I know Malachi999 and I are willing. Abe, are you available this weekend?
Thanks again guys for the interest.

I wish all of you the best in your efforts to gain some traction with the mid level limit games, I think it would be great for the overall growth of poker in STL. But I thought I'd share my two cents as to why it may not get accomplished.

I've been playing in the STL area for over 10 years now and used to play the 15-30 w/kill and the 20/40 games at Ameristar until the NL caze came in '03 or '04. At that time the mid limit games became more scarce as everyone wanted to play NL and as a result I switched over to NL as well. The reason I give the background is becasue I think my situation is similar to many STL No Limit players who used to play Limit.

One issue is that the win rate will not be as great in a mid level limit game compared to the win rate in NL, this keeps myself from being interested in anything from 6/12 to 10/20 and I would assume the same is true of others who have made the switch to NL. The other issue is that I doubt I play Limit well at all these days and would have to learn again. And to be honest, that just doesn't really appeal to me very much.

I believe in general most of your 3/6 players play that level because they enjoy the game for cheap stakes, the atmosphere or socializing, and some simply for the BBJ's. I think there is a very small percentage of these players who have any interest in moving up in stakes.

On the other side of the spectrum are the higher Limit players 20/40+. These players are more serious and are (or should be) bankrolled for these types of limits and are more than likely not interested in moving down in stakes either because of pride or because there are enough of the higher limit games running that they are getting in plenty of hours and don't need to play lower just to play.

Again, just my two cents and I do hope you are able to get this going simply for the growth and so that those of you who have interest can play the games and limits you enjoy.

I'll be there, just tell where and when.