Just played at Muckleshoot today.
I entered the sunday $215 tourney and of course got it in with KK otb against AA in the sb and I lose. I got into a disagreement with the dealer and floorperson when they said there are only a bet and 3 raises allowed pre-flop. I said wtf, I have never heard of this. Finally a senior floor person came over and said there is no cap on raises preflop in a NL tourney. Stupid floor people. Anyway, it affected the action because it went mp raise, I 3b otb KK, sb 4b AA, and I wanted to shove KK, but dealer said it was not allowed.


So after I bust the tourney, I sat in the $3/5 spread limit with $500 buy-in. Cashed out 4 hours later for $2076. Not too bad. Most players were terribad and typical fish limping in and x/f any time they missed.

Overall experience was good. Spread limit plays pretty much like no limit since the stacks aren't ever too deep. The max $500 bet is enough to get all in at some point in the hand.

I used to play in the SPO. Pretty good for a league.

That Mizuta guy is pretty tough for an "amateur." I actually met a pro (Lawrence Hughes) at one of their events and he invited me to a charity game later where I made final table. He's a super nice guy.

I used to live in Queen Anne .... and it was pretty hard finding a decent regular game for any money. And people in Seattle are smart ... kinda the last people you want to be bringing into the game .... so ...

Sssshhhhhh.

http://www.seattlepokeropen.com/

Another place I played was Roxies .... or Roxy's or something like that. No frills card room next to a bowling alley. Roxburry Lanes, I think it was called. Near the airport. Way closer than the casinos.

If you see Dave Lee .... tell him I said I have a herniated back as well ... and stop being a pussy about it. Take the party bus to Muckleshoot ... bet it all on black.

In Seattle you have the Indian casinos and the non-Indian ones. In the Indian casinos (Muckleshoot, Tulalip etc) the max bet is $500. At non-Indian ones (like Club Hollywood etc in Shoreline), the max bet used to be $40 but is currently $100.

Club Hollywood might be spreading "2-40 spread limit." What that means: Blinds will be $1/$2. At any stage you can bet/raise anywhere between $2 and $40 (as long as it's at least double the previous bet/raise of course). For example, in 2-40 spread limit, on the flop the guy to your right bets $10. You could now raise to anywhere between $20 and $50.

The reason you will often see 2-40 in particular is a holdover from that previous max bet, which used to be $40. Now that the max bet is $100, they will often spread 2-100, where you can obviously bet/raise up to $100 over the previous bet.

At Indian casinos where the max bet is $500, the 3-5 game essentially plays more or less like no-limit; they just can't call it no-limit because of that limited maximum bet size.

Hope that helps. Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm off anywhere.

got it. thanks.

umm, sorry, but one more dumb question. the 500 max bet, that's for the whole hand, correct? i can't bet 500 per street (flop,turn,river), right? once i bet 500, and am called, the action is over for the hand and i am considered all in, yeah?

No, it's the maximum bet or raise you can make. Like if you raise to 20 in a 2/5 game, the max someone can raise is to 520. The $500 max applies to single bets and raises, not the total amount wagered in the hand. So the maximum you could lose in one hand is 7505 (1505 + 2000x3).

a bet and 3 raises. so it could go 500, 1000, 1500, capped at 2000.

Can anyone compare the $3/5 spread limit at Muckleshoot versus the same game at Snoqualamie Casino?

Muckleshoot usually has deeper stacks because you can buy in for $500 rather than $300. Doesn't mean the game is better though.

wow. okay. thanks for all the help!

No, that's not it. Maybe it would be helpful to think of "spread limit" in WA as a kind of hybrid of "standard" no limit and fixed limit. On each street, there can be a bet and three raises, then the betting is capped (just like fixed limit). However, instead of having to bet & raise exactly a particular amount, you can bet & raise using no limit rules up to a bet of $500. The max that can go in on each street from a player is $2000 (except preflop would be $1500 plus whatever the big blind is).

Edit: Oops, way too slow. Left for posterity...

Wow, I can't believe I'm finding this thread just now. How many here are tulalip regs? I've been going there a bit more often post black friday.

I was a sno and lip 5-10 and plo reg for 2 years. Played my first year there under age. Moved to CO recently but i still make it out occasionally.

Played another session at Muckleshoot last night, lost $400. Still think it's a decent card room to play $3/5 spread limit.

Beware of this young punk named Chris who looks like he is 15 and wears big headphones around his neck all night, but never listens to them.

Also beware of a Philippino guy named Nate who calls the flop "the plop" and is incredibly hard to understand because of his accent.

what did this Chris fella do that we should be wary of?

there are alot of douchers around the cardrooms i dont like

first is the asian regular at Sno who thinks he owns the place and he looks like a nerd

theres the old dude at tulalip who ive never had a problem with, but I just dont like the cut of his jib, last i remember he had a much younger but not so attractive girlfriend

daily tournaments at roxys in west seattle, theres a big headphones guy too who thinks he owns the joint, but watches too much poker on tv for his own good

as for the Muck I havent had any real problems with anyone.

Accused players of collusion at the cash game.
Tapped the aquarium.
Stayed out way past his curfew.

I played the 12/24 kill tonight there, neat game. An older gentleman in seat 1 amassed a monster stack; unfortunately I basically folded for seven hours. It wasn't as wild as that 6/12 kill though- in a couple dozen hands of that game this asian guy named Kaedo (Kido?) did a ton of straddling. A few hands were capped blind preflop.

Long time no see. What the hell were you doing at the Hideaway for seven hours?!

The death of Internet poker drives people to do insane things I guess

I'm not 21 so I'm stuck playing whatever funky games are in WA's 18+ card roons, heh. I heard 7 cedars has a 1-5nl though, will be checking that out soon.

You won't find 5/10 at the Muck, Snoqualmie or Diamond Lil's. Diamond Lil's has a pretty good 8/16 with at least 2 tables running almost all the time. I'd forget about the 4/8 there because of the blinds and $5 rake. Their 20/40 game isn't bad if you wish to play at a higher level. From my experience, and I play poker in Seattle almost daily, Lil's is the place to go.

How often does 20/40 run there?

Ok, so I'll watch out for the asian guy at Snoqualmie, the old guy at Tulalip and the young guy at Muckleshoot. Got it


q/q

All day, every day. There are almost always 2 games going with the possible exception on Sunday. Sunday generally has one. The 20/40 goes from about 11 a.m. to often times 3 or 4 a.m. in the morning. You won't have long to wait for a seat. But I'd plan on getting there about 10;30 a.m..

I've never met many douches at the Muck. The only guy who had bad manners was this older gentlemen, he looked like a rat with a slight mustache. In a hand, an Asian dude got lucky and took his entire stack, while the Asian dude collected his chips, the old man called him a "real idiot" lol..

At Tulalip, there was one guy, probably late 20's early 30's, whenever it was his turn he would move realllllllll slooooooowwwwww and act very serious to the point of looking like a total assclown.. When he took down a pot, he would turn over the cards and show like he was some sort of poker god..
He looked almost like the Les Grossman character played by Tom Cruise in Tropic Heat(but with hair)