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01-23-2020 , 09:11 PM
Is it just me, or is the Fortune 20/40 a lot less stable than it was even a year or so ago? I've played three times over the last month; the table has broken two of those times. On a Saturday, around mid-evening. I mean ... c'mon, man.

Maybe the 3/5 NL game drawing too much of the player pool away?
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01-23-2020 , 10:33 PM
It’s not just you. LHE is a dying game. It’s a sad state of affairs.
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01-25-2020 , 02:04 PM
Maybe a few of the 20/40 regs are on vacation? Or died? I don't think anybody has sympathy for the plight of the 20/40 LHE player. Plenty of 4/8 running.

Lots of money moving around the 3/5 game.

O8 game was tons of fun too

1/3 was spicy as well. Friday nite brings out the gambooolers

Last edited by steve420wa; 01-25-2020 at 02:18 PM.
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01-31-2020 , 05:04 PM
It looks like they increased the bounty tournament from $200 to $250. Does the extra $50 go to bounties? Prizepool? Please don't say rake....
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02-01-2020 , 12:01 PM
Surprised that no one has mentioned how Caribbean got robbed.
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02-01-2020 , 06:36 PM
If only they had a security guard!
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02-05-2020 , 05:15 PM
Prop bet idea; if you can find the new Muckleshoot poker room(without asking anyone) in under 20 minutes from the time you park your car in the front lot you win.
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02-05-2020 , 06:11 PM
Where's the best place to stay (cheapest/cleanest) near Fortune for those of us out of town? I'm thinking of heading down in the next month or so but can't find anything even remotely close by.
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02-05-2020 , 07:37 PM
Lol. Literally right next door.
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02-05-2020 , 08:40 PM
Clarion Hotel $84/night

STEVE 420S MUCK PROPS N SLOPS

PROPS
Close bathrooms
Free cans of soda available (during opening week)
No appreciable odor or stench

SLOPS
too brightly lit
No usb chargers on tables
Tables shoehorned in
Food is now more expensive with smaller portions
Useless security guard
No easy access to casino
Walk 4 flights of stairs or slow elevator to get there
Pizza slices at downtown seattle prices
Same shitty games
Employee rest area is right outside toilet entrance
Crap wifi

That's all I can think of atm, anybody else?
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02-06-2020 , 02:49 AM
Palace in Lakewood now has a 10-20 HORSE game on Wednesday’s. Super fun/friendly game and only $3 max rake.

And agree w pretty much everything Steve said about the new room at Muck.
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02-06-2020 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by steve420wa
anybody else?
Just to be clear, I want the new room succeed. I believe the poker room manager + staff do as well. It appears that upper management does not care if the room dies a horrible death.

The good (compared to the "old" temporary room in club galaxy):
-No smoke
-Better lighting
-Much closer bathrooms
-Once again there's a poker room cage/cashier just for poker players
-new felts
-new shuffle machines
-new chairs

Opening week blunders:
-they planned the new room for months and it was supposed to open January 4th. On the 4th they pushed it back to the 7th. When it finally opened on the 7th they only had 12 of the 18 tables setup. The wait lists were 50-60 people deep. They were totally unprepared. I think many people waited for hours, gave up and vowed to not return. They didn't have all 18 tables up and running until probably the 4th day after the room opened. The food in the first few days wasn't even edible. Staff blamed it on "growing pains" but the casino has been serving food for 20+ years so I'm not sure how that could be an issue. Since the hot seat drawings ended after the first week traffic in the room has fallen off sharply. The promised "direct" walkway from valet to the poker room never materialized. They cut a hole in the concrete wall for it, but later boarded it up.

The bad:
-The very old room went from 33 tables to 32 tables then to 19 tables in club galaxy and now to 18 tables. This is not a good trend.
-The food menu is even worse than it was before. It's absolutely terrible. My best advice is eat before you leave home or stop somewhere on your way to the casino to avoid disappointment.
-Soda choices are down to just a handful and they always come at room temperature and in a can. Don't try bringing in your own can of soda from home though or face the wrath of the security guards posted outside the door to the poker room.
-Alcohol choices are down to just a handful of beer in bottles or cans. It takes an act of congress to get any other alcohol. I quite literally saw a food service manager berate a patron for having the nerve to ask for a glass of wine during the first week the new room was open.
-You can't bring food or alcohol into the poker room from the casino yourself because you have to exit the main casino and re enter the poker room. Security will either complain when you are leaving the casino or when you are entering the poker room.
-Only 1 table has USB chargers. There's often a row of phones along the wall being charged. I would imagine players would prefer working USB chargers over new felts/layouts. Staff says the other tables will get USB chargers eventually.
-The location of the room is terrible. It's completely separated from the rest of the casino. It's as if management views poker as the red-headed stepchild of the casino. Unless you know where it's located you are unlikely to find it. There is zero walk in foot traffic at the new location. It's a maze to get there. They had to erect a bunch of signs to keep people from getting lost in the bowels of the casino back office.
-The room feels like you are at a convention waiting for someone to take the mic and welcome you to a real estate seminar. It's like a drab office building but without windows.
-the employee "break room" is quite literally the broom closet at the end of the hall. Management was nice enough to give the dealers a couple chairs to sit on in the hallway during their breaks.
-all payouts now require heaps of paperwork and lots of patience. This is true for both high hands and the pay for play. Payouts have slowed to a crawl. They require your ID for everything. It appears they are filling out and requiring you to sign W2Gs every time there's a payout. I would not be the least bit surprised if poker players will now get some combination of 1099s and/or W2Gs at the end of the year so they can pay taxes on their own jackpot rake.
-they have now reduced the high hand promotion from $200 every 20 minutes to $200 every 30 minutes. I guess paying $600 per hour was too much so now it's $400 per hour.

At this point there are usually one or more 4/8 limit games going and one or more 1/3 games going. That's it. 3/6 limit is going sometimes but not always. 3/5 spread does not go every day. The 5/10 spread only fires on Mondays at this point. It's mostly a combination of 4/8 limit and 1/3 spread limit at slower times of the day.

My guess is upper management would be happy to close the poker room, fire the staff, and bring in another 100 or so slot machines to make more efficient use of the space. It's pretty frustrating.
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02-06-2020 , 03:46 PM
There isn't seem to be a realistic way for Muck to return to its former glory other than bigger-than-competitor promotions.

Just about everything you have listed, even if improved to the best they can be, still would have very little impact in traffic. Poker players care mostly about one thing, promotions. If I were to break down what matters the most to poker players, they would probably be:

1. Promotions - 60% of room traffic
2. Location - 30% of room traffic
3. Availability of certain games - 8%

Remaining 2% or so probably has something to do with food, drinks, USB chargers, and room decor.
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02-06-2020 , 08:57 PM
Damn, can't believe you cant access it from the main casino. Poker is officially getting the bingo treatment from the tribes.

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02-09-2020 , 01:23 AM
Red Dragon bad beat got hit couple hours ago....straight flush on the river to crack quad nines.
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02-09-2020 , 03:23 AM
My buddy was the 3rd player in that hand. His nut flush ended up getting him stacked but I guess the $3500 table share made up for it...
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02-10-2020 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Yuliial
Lol. Literally right next door.
LOLGF. If you search for anything from out of town, literally nothing comes up inside 15 minutes' drive.
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02-10-2020 , 07:55 PM
I think that's a google/search thing. Clarion probably isn't paying the search engines enough to show up.

In the past I've had this happen to me when trying to find a room. Hotels unlisted in google show up in Expedia.
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02-11-2020 , 08:55 PM
Ya stupid Google, how hard is it to put some hotels on the map?!

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Fo...4d-122.2168101

And dude, how come there are no hotels popped up when I search "hotels near Fortune poker?"

https://www.google.com/maps/search/h.../data=!3m1!4b1
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02-12-2020 , 04:04 PM
I havnt read the previous 5800 posts so apologies of I could find the answers there.

Heading to seattle from ireland for a week for work and cant see a huge amount to do outside of the office.

Are there any decent card rooms / casinos there?
I see fortune and red dragon named. Are they just card rooms? Or casinos too?

I appreciate this post is god dam awful so apologies in advance
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02-12-2020 , 09:41 PM
Fortune is poker only, pretty sure Red Dragon is as well. There are smaller casinos with table games/slots all over the place though. If you're wanting to go to a large casino Tulalip is probably your best bet (north of Seattle), or Muckleshoot (south of Seattle).

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02-13-2020 , 12:29 PM
http://www.fortunepokerroom.com shows the waiting list.
http://https://red-dragon-casino-mountlake.com/ has an app to get the waiting list.
i haven't been to the new muck poker room
@seattlepoker is worth a follow if you want small stakes tourneys.
GL
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02-13-2020 , 09:22 PM
Tulalip closed its poker room last month (or in December). I hear a player and/or some of the dealers from Tulalip are about to open a card room at Smokey Point. (Not to far north of Tualip). Opening awaiting gambling commission approval.
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02-14-2020 , 12:21 AM
Doubt it. Only new applications submitted are Sun Palace in Des Moines and Lucky Dragon in Seattle.

Lucky Dragon has been pending since November.
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