john, which floor was that who made the ruling?

Lol at that being an angle when he tabled his hand immediately. If it was an angle he would have held them face down hoping for you to muck, he probably just misread his hand.

I've never come into contact with that ruling but I was always under the impression that once cards hit the muck the hand is dead. Usually when I've seen similar scenarios the floors response is always "protect your hand" kind of interesting

Sorry I don't remember because it was like 10 months ago. It was one of the men.

It's in Robert's Rule's somewhere. I looked it up after this incident.

There are several dealers at GC that are educated enough to do this. I saw a dealer warn a player for doing this just last week.

Don't know why you have such a hard-on for GC, but your constant criticism just makes you look like a bitter little man.

Well, FWIW, I also find the dealers in GC to be on average more sloppy that the ones in Bay 101.

I personally hate the environment in GC because it's so loud. The noise probably also factors into why the dealers aren't able to control the game very well there.

That would be an incorrect ruling everywhere I have ever played poker, but I'm glad that you got the small pot.

I was tired when I was playing one session at GC and mucked ace high to jack high when he opened his hand and declared a pair by accident. I was quiet and let him have the pot as I was the idiot who mucked my own hand for which I am solely responsible. I can't recall ever doing that in 8 years, but there it was and I did it...my fault and I lose the pot, next hand.

i'm working on a website with all of the casinos in california and california poker rooms. any advice on what you guys do/don't like about the site? any ideas of what i can add?

I think a map on the homepage with the location of all the casinos would make the site 100% better. I don't really understand how your list is arranged. Also, this is likely the wrong forum for your post.

Yeah I want to implement that on the main page as soon as I get all of the casinos and addresses down. I didn't realize how long it would take to compile that info.

sorry, i thought this was a good spot. I just figured those from the area might have some good input.

Is there any way to add day/time the games run to the spreadsheet, specifically for the Omaha games? I'm looking for somewhere in the area that has an Omaha 8 game that goes beyond 6pm on the weekends.

For years, I have been playing 4/8 Omaha 8 at the Lucky Buck in Livermore on Friday and/or Saturday evenings. The games have always been fun, I could always count on arriving between 6-8pm and getting into the game without a long wait, and the game would run easily run past midnight to make the night worthwhile. Well, in the transition to the new Casino 580, ParkWest has basically killed the poker action on Friday and Saturday nights, and it is now a glorified Baccarat lounge. Thus, the need for a new place to play on the weekends.

From what I have been able to gather the best options are likely Lucky Chances, Oaks, Napa Valley, or Casino Real in Manteca. What I don't know about those places is whether or not the game usually runs into the evening. I know Bay 101 and Cal Grand usually have a game, but the list never moves, and they will never open up a second table, no matter how many names are on the list. Any info would be appreciated (I'll cross-post to the Omaha 8 forum as well).

^^It's better to call the card room for that type of information. O8 cater only to a handful of players so cardrooms are constantly changing things to cater to that small crowd.

At Oaks, iirc, O8 is scheduled to start at 10am on Thursday and Friday. Call in up to one week in advance. Sometimes there is a 2nd must-move table.

NB: the scheduled O/8 game at the Oaks on Thursdays is a 6-12 game with a 1/3 kill to 8-16, played with $2 chips. The regular game, spread most days and lasting well into the evening generallly, is 4-8 with a half-kill to 6-12, also played with $2 chips. (Which is a terrible structure because even the kill pots wind up looking not terribly large, and the game is nittier than it would be if the game were played with $1 chips.)

Is there any place that is actually close to San Francisco? That spreads a normal 1/2NL game (aka not 1-1-2 or 1-2-2 where it's $4 to limp)... and San jose is not the bay area.

How is Petes881? I saw someone mention its in San Rafael (finally, an actual Bay area location that isn't way out of the way of the city). What games do they spread?


The only other place that I saw in this thread (I skimmed through it) was Oaks that has a SL 1-2 game? How does that game play?

I take it that Colma or San Bruno aren't in the Bay Area either? How about Hayward?

ETA: Pacheco is right out. IM,R, it's on the other side of the East Bay hills!

I mean core Bay Area. San Francisco, Marin, Berkeley...

What do you mean by "IM, R"

perhaps by bay area you mean the san pablo bay area?

What?

I'm talking about San Francisco.

Not as North as San Pablo.

can anyone talking about places that spread normal 1-2 NLHE? It seems Oaks has a spread limit game that plays pretty similar. Anyone know anything about Pete881?

I cannot comprehend a definition of "core Bay Area" that includes San Rafael but excludes Colma.

IMR

Fine. I've lived in San Francisco (and, yes I mean actually within the city of SF, biggest pet peeve when people say they're from SF, but are really from Marin, EB, or southbay...) for 15 years and I've been to Marin over 1000 times, but been to Colma less than 10. But yes, this is a personal experience obviously, so my views of the bay area are biased.

Can someone please answer my questions about Pete881 and Oaks' please? Or any other casinos in SF or Marin or EB or are within 20 minutes of the entrance of the freeway from 19th avenue towards 280.

From what I know this Pete881 is just a back room in a bar that only spreads limit and has a bigger rake.

My home in San Jose is three miles from San Francisco Bay as the crow flies, but apparently it's not in the area.

Def. not hating here but... tho you've lived here in the city for 15 years, in my experience, your comments suggest you probably not from SF since many born and/or bred tend to limit trans-bridge excursions whenever possible as a kinda weird mental barrier. So it seems odd - at least to me - that you're more likely to skip across to Marin instead of roll down to Colma.

And yes, my views might be biased too as a long-term Sunset district kid, a hop on the 28 and a taxi from DC station or BART/Lucky Chances courtesy van is almost second nature to me.

But, there are times where i'd prefer to roll all the way down to Garden or Bay101 than skip across to Oaks and weather the traffic & bridge crossing.

But to be fair to the OP, he apparently dislikes LC's 1-1-2 style, I presume because of the $4-to-open (and to support his case, the ludicrous "straddle from anywhere but the button" $8-to-open, rule). So it's not so much about Colma, per se (tho Artichoke's isn't much further if you can stand the pseudo-collusion) as it is about having a pure 1-2NLHE format.

To respond to the direct question of the $100max(or $200max) SLHE game at Oaks: In my experience, the $100max game is softer but the significant downsides are namely

1. an inability to defend your hand against even long-chance draws in multi-way pots as the $100max bet can sometimes not dissuade callers from pot-odds even on the flop-bet
   
2. an inability of the typical oaks SL ring-game player to adjust to the pitfalls of #1 by playing more of a "small-ball" pre-flop and/or flop and/or getting away from decent starting holdings on wet to drenched-draw boards
   
3. a limited maximum potential yield from the 100 or even 200max tables when compared to the Colma 1/1/2 and 3/5 analogues (tho the latter games are generally among tougher players and the tables themselves face a greater rake than at Oaks).

Hope this is useful.

Calling the two-blind structure "pure" is ignorant. The 1-1-2, 4-to-go structure is old school NLHE, the way we played it when you kids were in diapers.

Moreover, at Lucky Chances at least, only the $200 NLHE has the 1-1-2 structure; the $500 and bigger games use the two-blind structure.

Garden City 02/29/12; 1/2/3 NLHE.

Me: Recreational player with more money than sense who doesn't mind dropping a few hundo to hobnob with the poker 'elite' who travel the poker world in steerage class.

Steadily improving. Was Super Plankton, now Guppy.

Poker: 1/2/3 = lol poker. Infested with people who want to play, play, play. Lots of multi-way, lots of calling, and lots of players cursing their 'bad luck'.

Opponents: Many of the players seemed to know each other and the staff. A few got very good reads on me and made the better moves. Others just wanted to play, and if I isolated them, I could do what I wanted. A few were monsterously unskilled and were gone in a couple of orbits. Buyins averaged around $150 -$175. Generally upbeat and talkative. A few 'If I fold will you show' and 'How big is your kicker?' moments, and occassional protracted tanks, but all in all, the game moved cleanly.

Douchebaggery was at a minimum. I can't wait to see him again.

If I had cajones I probably would have made a killing.

Dealers/Floor: Same faces I've seen on prior visits. Altogether a friendly and efficient lot. The very few hiccups were settled instantly and to everyone's satisfaction.

Chip runners/Service: If you have a penchant for semi-hot young Asian chicks, there's plenty to look at. Food and drinks take a while. To her credit, I didn't notice when my food arrived; she might have noticed I was involved in a hand. To her discredit, she did the opposite with other players a couple of times. A second server forgot an order.

Highlights: Not one but two poker gods sat during the session. Very proud of their mad skills, and eager to share their superior knowledge. They win a pot; mad skills, "I crack Aces all the time." They lose a pot; the opponent was an idiot who got lucky; "I knew what you had, and I was ahead on the flop."

Each one lasted about 30 minutes. Goodtimes.

Etc: Clean restrooms, free self-service coffee and water. Constant clinking chips and an occasional outburst.

Fun stuff: Hot Lemon Ginger Tea, Chicken Skewers (get extra peanut sauce).

I'm headed back out today. This time I'm playing on someone else's money.

if the only criticism of my reply is the usage choice of a single adjective I guess it's minimal flack from wading into the forum world of crotchety trolls who either bring up how it was all different and better "back in the good old days" or worse.

that said, i applaud the reminder to the OP that the LC 3/5 game is a 2-blind game. in fact, not having to fumble with all the grey-chip 20stacks in itself speeds up the game significantly and helps offset some of the rake cost of a slower game. it does play larger even tho the minimum opening only differs by $1.

(and not that any validation is necessary, i'm pushing my 5th decade; 3 of which have been at the tables, tho i imagine that might still be close enough to the cusp of lumping me in with the multi-tabling whippersnappers)