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03-04-2012 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by wobblyrock
Def. not hating here but... tho you've lived here in the city for 15 years, in my experience, your comments suggest you probably not from SF since many born and/or bred tend to limit trans-bridge excursions whenever possible as a kinda weird mental barrier. So it seems odd - at least to me - that you're more likely to skip across to Marin instead of roll down to Colma.

And yes, my views might be biased too as a long-term Sunset district kid, a hop on the 28 and a taxi from DC station or BART/Lucky Chances courtesy van is almost second nature to me.

But, there are times where i'd prefer to roll all the way down to Garden or Bay101 than skip across to Oaks and weather the traffic & bridge crossing.

But to be fair to the OP, he apparently dislikes LC's 1-1-2 style, I presume because of the $4-to-open (and to support his case, the ludicrous "straddle from anywhere but the button" $8-to-open, rule). So it's not so much about Colma, per se (tho Artichoke's isn't much further if you can stand the pseudo-collusion) as it is about having a pure 1-2NLHE format.

To respond to the direct question of the $100max(or $200max) SLHE game at Oaks: In my experience, the $100max game is softer but the significant downsides are namely
  1. an inability to defend your hand against even long-chance draws in multi-way pots as the $100max bet can sometimes not dissuade callers from pot-odds even on the flop-bet
  2. an inability of the typical oaks SL ring-game player to adjust to the pitfalls of #1 by playing more of a "small-ball" pre-flop and/or flop and/or getting away from decent starting holdings on wet to drenched-draw boards
  3. a limited maximum potential yield from the 100 or even 200max tables when compared to the Colma 1/1/2 and 3/5 analogues (tho the latter games are generally among tougher players and the tables themselves face a greater rake than at Oaks).

Hope this is useful.
I moved to SF when I was 3 years old. So spent my whole childhood growing up in the Richmond district.
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03-07-2012 , 02:29 PM
I'm looking for tournaments with a $100ish buy-in (at most), coming in on Saturday for three weeks. Also if one knows a spot for soccer... Thanks.
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03-18-2012 , 03:04 PM
Going to be in SF (staying in Union Sq) for a long weekend soon.

Looking for a $1-$2 NLHE game to hit late night, which we can get to by taxi from Unuion Sq area, from reading around on here looks like Lucky Chances is the obvious choice. If anyone could confirm or suggest better options would be much appreciated.

Thanks
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03-18-2012 , 03:48 PM
It won't be a cheap cab ride.
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03-19-2012 , 01:38 AM
That all sounds true, except for the "reasonable" part.
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03-19-2012 , 02:06 AM
Lucky Chances runs a shuttle to and from the Colma BART station free of charge every half hour. It would be much more economical than a taxi.

Bear in mind, however, that BART doesn't run past midnight (99% on that). Still, the taxis stack up outside 24/7, so saving fare one direction could be agreeable.
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03-19-2012 , 04:44 PM
Oaks Card room across the bay bridhe is a 3+1 and real 1/2 NL. Some bad regs and a fair amount of fish. If I had a choice of equal distance I would go there. The drop @ LCs is 5+1.

Oaks has better dealers, food is fine, and its a cleaner place. The city is not oakland though, I think its Berkley.
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03-19-2012 , 08:48 PM
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Oaks Card room across the bay bridhe is a 3+1 and real 1/2 NL.
Yo, get your facts right. Unless they made a major change in the last 7-odd weeks, the only "real" NL the Oaks has is tournament poker. They spread a $2-100 max bet spread limit game (40-200 BI) and a $4-200 max bet spread limit (80-400 BI). Lucky Chances runs 1-2-2 no limit (40-200 BI).

If I'm out of the loop, (I'm out of state) someone let me know and I'll insert foot into mouth.

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Oaks has better dealers
That's quite debatable.

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its a cleaner place
That's incredibly debatable.

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I think its Berkley
It's Emeryville. And it's Berkeley.

Last edited by losthawks; 03-19-2012 at 08:49 PM. Reason: clarity
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03-20-2012 , 12:27 AM
I regret to say that, based on my recent trips to Lucky Chances, the Oaks is rather cleaner. But while there are some great dealers at the Oaks, there are some dreadful ones as well, whereas at Lucky Chances the overall quality is high.
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03-22-2012 , 05:51 PM
@ Oaks you are right $100 spread limit, I forgot. Never made a difference in the game to me.

Guess I had a far different experience at LCs. At the Oaks I have met only good to very good dealers. At LC's Ive met 2 good dealers, most ok, and quite a few that were bad.

Notorious weaknesses are skipping over my hand, not announcing action, rushing the action and dealing a the turn before I act. In one instance it went check, check, a super nit player slide $20 3 inches forward behind the line (I couldnt see because the dealer's hand was in the way) she just went to me and I bet $30... all fold and the dealer says "you need to raise $40 min" and Im like "WTF are you talking about". She removes her hands and shows this bet and Im still like "where?" It didnt pass the line and finally I noticed its forward movement.

I was so annoyed I forgot to call the floor which is my fault. I gotta watch the table like Im the dealer instead of focusing on the players and their timing, betting patterns, and tells.

Several another times I was thinking of what I wanted to do and didnt announce anything and they zipped right past me and dealt the turn. I mean like within 1s "ok you check", burn, turn and Im like "WAIT WAIT!"

But I havent played in about 1 year. So maybe its changed.

Curious what some long term winrates are @ the 1/1/2 with the $6 drop. Anyone hear or experience? I had one person say he was making $30 per hour over 150 hours.
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03-29-2012 , 06:33 PM
Can someone please just build a cardroom like the Bike or Commerce here in the Bay Area? I have had enough of the long waits, ridiculous rakes, and stupid blind structures around here.

Maybe there just isn't a player pool to have that much action? I dunno...
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03-29-2012 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BigStack650
Can someone please just build a cardroom like the Bike or Commerce here in the Bay Area? I have had enough of the long waits, ridiculous rakes, and stupid blind structures around here.

Maybe there just isn't a player pool to have that much action? I dunno...
There is a statewide moratorium against issuing new licenses or expanding current licenses for (non-reservation) gaming until January 1, 2015. Legistation under consideration would expand this moratorium until 2020.

PS: Rake at Bike and Commerce is even worse than here.
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03-29-2012 , 07:55 PM
In Florida it was 10% $3 max + $1 jackpot. I miss that.
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04-04-2012 , 02:15 PM
second page?! this thread needs a bump.

hey gang. i just moved back to the area and am looking forward to poker in a real market again. i'm primarily a low- to mid-stakes lhe player.

do mixed games ever go in the area? i see some o8 and even a smattering of stud (and someone please tell me more about this A-5 lowball game at the oaks?) but no horse or anything. if i collected a table full of people and showed up at b101 or something, would they spread a mix? i do this **** all the time in vegas for 2+2 meetups and the like.

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Looking forward to seeing you at the tables. Garden City is closing and will be opening Casino M8trix in early April. Its going to be a phenomenal casino.
any updates on this? is GC already closed? is "casino m8trix" (lol) open?

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perhaps by bay area you mean the san pablo bay area?
i lol'd.

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Originally Posted by Clamper13
If I had cajones I probably would have made a killing.
how would boxes have helped your nl game?

oh, and one final lol for anyone giving alanbostick static. obviously those folks are not golfers.
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04-04-2012 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tyler_cracker

any updates on this? is GC already closed? is "casino m8trix" (lol) open?
New sites own thread Apparently the new monolith delayed 'till May Day, so games for now still back in the old barn.
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04-04-2012 , 04:15 PM
thx angus.

looks like the orange got to be a bit much for you? who wouldn't want to mod multiple subforums?!
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04-04-2012 , 04:28 PM
Moi?

Mod??????

Never have been orange or green.
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04-04-2012 , 04:34 PM
rly? i coulda sworn. maybe i'm thinking of that citandul guy with a similar grim reaper avatar?

or maybe i'm just losing it. i blame four straight days of apartment hunting in the city...

Last edited by tyler_cracker; 04-04-2012 at 04:34 PM. Reason: ...where by "the city" i of course mean "san anselmo"
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04-07-2012 , 07:59 PM
Just played at LCs after taking a 1 year break. Very soft 1/1/2 game
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04-08-2012 , 02:52 AM
Hey team,

I'm a reg in the oaks 200 game, and play the 3/5 at lc when I can get down there. I've recently been hearing great things about the 2/3/5 at California grand. Anyone play in it regularly and can comment on how it the game is? Normally when I hear "everyone's a fish" I take it with a grain of salt, but I've heard this from several different people lately.

It's not around the corner like the oaks but is closer to me than lc...

Thanks
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04-08-2012 , 11:55 AM
You should be aware that the game at the Palace has no buy-in cap, so people can start out with deep stacks. That impacts the play of the game dramatically, and can create the false impression in the minds of people used to 100-blind caps that the regulars are fish, I mean, really, they'll open and even call raises with almost any two cards....
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04-08-2012 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by buckminster1
Hey team,

I'm a reg in the oaks 200 game, and play the 3/5 at lc when I can get down there. I've recently been hearing great things about the 2/3/5 at California grand. Anyone play in it regularly and can comment on how it the game is? Normally when I hear "everyone's a fish" I take it with a grain of salt, but I've heard this from several different people lately.

It's not around the corner like the oaks but is closer to me than lc...

Thanks
Not reg. but I've guess I've been there about 8 times or so last year. I've heard the same, Grand and Palace supposedly have great games. Never been to Palace but my experience at the Grand though has been pretty typical. I first heard about the games from what I believe were regs. in that game that came down to LC during the gold rush tourney week (LC was until recently my reg. spot) so I'm not sure if they were just saying it to draw more people to their games or what but the games there were really not extraordinary. Not terrible by any means, if I was closer I'd put it in my casino rotation. Just not a place I'd go out of my way to go to.

My experience has been that the San Jose games are a cut above everywhere else in the Bay. Anywhere else in the Bay I'd just go to which ever casino is closest TBH.
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04-08-2012 , 08:06 PM
lol Alan was there a post that was deleted? the guy above you was asking about the grand not the palace.


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Originally Posted by DonkeyDave
My experience has been that the San Jose games are a cut above everywhere else in the Bay. Anywhere else in the Bay I'd just go to which ever casino is closest TBH.
I agree. People who live in the SJ area tend to be richer than the rest of the bay so they get more affluent recreational gamblers.
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04-09-2012 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by buckminster1
Hey team,

I'm a reg in the oaks 200 game, and play the 3/5 at lc when I can get down there. I've recently been hearing great things about the 2/3/5 at California grand. Anyone play in it regularly and can comment on how it the game is? Normally when I hear "everyone's a fish" I take it with a grain of salt, but I've heard this from several different people lately.

It's not around the corner like the oaks but is closer to me than lc...

Thanks
from my exp i can say the 2-3-5 game is decent, but its a very small player pool comprised of mostly regs who for the most part play solid (set mine and wait for AA), i think the games are LC are much better, especially on the weekends, plus the 2-3-5 at the game at the grand doesn't always run
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04-09-2012 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Zak3nnay0
lol Alan was there a post that was deleted? the guy above you was asking about the grand not the palace.
Brain fart; OP wrote "Grand," I read "Palace."
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