Spoken like you've never been to NYC.

I've been to NYC and ridden public transit there, as well as in very many other major cities in the US. In all of them I'd be kinda nervous about carrying thousands of dollars of cash with me, certainly much more than I am driving home from a casino.

It won't come as soon, but the fact that it was voted down once doesn't mean that it will never happen. Legalized gambling in Atlantic City took more than one election to pass.

Maybe but NY is a go and if they get a card room New York players are never crossing the GW again. Of course with NY it’s always 50/50 they’ll screw it up.

American dream is like 10 minutes from nyc that place will see action even if nyc has an operating cardroom. Now ac gonna lose a lot of nyc business

Players from SI and part of Brooklyn will still probably give some amount of action to Parx/AC, but the majority of NY action would definitely be captured by Resorts World, Empire, and ? .

A friend recently pointed out to me that it's 3 licenses now, they can change that in the future. No base for this feeling but I'm betting the 3rd is not in Manhattan, but potentially a future location winds up in the city. I hope I'm wrong, the explosion of action from tourists, business travelers, local high income industry, local high income residents, illegal money, rich college kids, bad gambling culture, would be so sick. It's like every type of New Yorker except me is loaded lol

Literally there every day.

They were voted down cuz 7 counties of NJ are being voted with casinos in a.c. as the voting base.

When 4 of them close and that sweet 10% of tax money dries up. That opposition will evaporate.

Imo nj was right to keep it in once place as long possible, and will be very quick to move on opening up north once n.y. opens.

They could’ve been first in to a fertile hungry market. Now they’ll give the competition a head start when they already have the location advantage. So their only chance at success will be NY politicians being too inept or greedy. And you think this was a smart strategy?

The south was a big thumb on the scale, but no county voted in favor. Likely it eventually passes (and there will be plenty of losers from the NYC bidding ready with proposals when it does), but it has a long way to go.

Each year, Vegas and AC casinos are closing poker rooms. Poker interest is down each year, and so is poker room traffic.

Casinos have trouble recruiting enough dealers for $50/hand blackjack/etc and you guys think they will take the time and effort to open a poker room?

Poker room is what niche contenders do when the big fish take the big prizes. I doubt it makes much sense in a $2000/sq foot city. Maybe Meadowlands... maybe?

Yeah because when Boston and other areas got casinos none of them put in poker rooms.

Even though lots of poker rooms have closed in Las Vegas, many of the most recent large ones to open or have major renovations have gotten poker rooms. Resorts World is the newest big one, and it has a very large poker room.

Casino closest to Chicago just put in a big, excellent poker room and its always rammed. Casino in NW suburbs is revamping theirs to try to compete a bit.

Poker revenue clearly attractive to these massive corporations

It’s really just CET consolidating at the bottom end of the market right? All the high end properties still have thriving rooms. I don’t think Vegas and AC are good comparison markets anyway. Expansion of gaming outside those markets is going to have a larger effect than changes in consumer tastes. I wouldn’t be surprised if total number of poker tables running on an average Saturday night in The US is higher now than it was 15 years ago. It’s just more spread out.

Some of the locals rooms far from the strip have dropped their poker rooms (like Green Valley Ranch within the last two years), and some of the smaller MGM rooms on the strip (Mirage, Luxor) have closed in the last several years as well. But I agree about the poker being much more dispersed than it used to be.

Recruiting dealers might be the only reason for a slight delay, but demand? Nah that place will be packed

They should have a much easier time recruiting dealers and staff in general in NYC than AC or Parx or Vegas, the city beyond the casinos is exponentially more expansive than in those areas. Might take a while for quality to be established but they'll have people sign up for sure.

I'm less sure about a room if they put the 3rd casino actually in the city, and I don't know anything about Empire for the most part, but I'd lay a sizeable bet Resorts World opens a poker room and a huge one at that

Boston put in a georgeous huge room- and now it's what 10 tables opened a few hours a day with 10 dollar a hand rake?

Hopefully NY goes with the huge rooms but if they copy Boston it doesn't bode well for us.

Not if it's MGM, RW, or anyone else besides Encore.

The rake won’t even matter, if it does then that’s not the comp im tryna play against

No one from NJ will venture into Manhattan only to pay double the rake when they can travel for the same distance plus 10 or 15 min. or so for a better room with half the rake

I'm sure someone's gonna say "but the field is gonna be "soft"so it'll be worth it to pay double"; today everyone has a clue for the most part and the people who will play are mostly people who already play in the area. Even when a random table games player wanders in who doesn't play, they usually just make it a higher variance game anyway because they're all over the place.

If the rake doubles, you can have all the so called "fish", I'll play in PA or NJ where the games are already good and already established but at some point you're gonna figure out it's a lot easier to beat the good players than players who don't have a clue by a mile. ; )

I am sure I am in a very small minority, but I believe many are over hyping how good games will be in NYC. Initially, they will be great, big and soft comparably (but not as soft as some new markets were X or YY years ago, think S.Fla. when $100 cap came off.)

Over time they will normalize. That time might be 15 mo or maybe 28 mo, but eventually will normalize...play smaller, less soft. Now will they become Bellagio Vegas $2/$5 bad (though I have had good games there) prolly not. Will they become a rock fest...prolly not. But if the rake is double, the games will reduce in size, and number to normalize against what that rake is.

I am not saying the games in NYC ever become bad (though they could) but likely won't be the best in the US 2 yr after the 3rd room opens (assuming 3 rooms open). While NYC has plenty going for it, it also has plenty going against it.

But I also know that few want to hear this and fewer still will agree.

depends how big you're playing. i'd happily play double the rake to have a bunch of donks at the table instead of miserable AC regs.

as for the bolded- they're also massively increasing your win rate with their erratic play.

they'll be the best games in the country especially above 2/5 nl for at least a few years.